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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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Sorry 87...good point, that is the cam # and I just asked him how much the conversion would cost. Now that I know a few things, I can try to work on price. I doubt it'll change much though. |
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87BFN owner ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-25-2006 Location: Saline, MI Status: Offline Points: 2194 |
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If you talk to them again please get a part number for the conversion kit if you can. I am not sure when I am going to get a chance to call around and ask. I have always liked crane cams. By the way one more thing to think about, will you have room under the stock valve covers for roller rockers?
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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I'm not sure yet. It actually rained here yesterday, so I'm taking the block in today. Once I know a few more things I'll call crane back and get all of the details. Right now I have my fingers crossed that the block and heads are usable! |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Almost every marinizer of engines made RH's. One of the only exceptions that I can think of is the V6 Buick that Universal made. The practice started in the late 50's when early V8's were mounted flywheel forward just like the earlier in-lines. Problems with cranks breaking started to pop up because the flywheel forwards were pulling all the power out of the weaker PTO end. So they turned the engines around but since the prop manufacturers were all tooled up for RH, it was easier to create a RH engine! |
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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merc and crusader are 2 more, Jim you could go to a 1.23 and reverse everything if you wanted to go that route, your wheels are turning,
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Riley ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-19-2004 Location: Portland, ME Status: Offline Points: 7952 |
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That is more believable than to offset the balance, although that may have been a good unintended consequence. |
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nuttyskier2002 ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: September-28-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 669 |
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I will say this (concerning boat torquing to the right).....my last boat was an 88 Ski Centurion. Yeah, I know. There I go again talking about something other than a CC. It was a narrow hull boat and with only me in it (or if the weight was not distributed right) it leaned considerably to the right when underway. It was an Indmar motor and to my knowledge they never produced any RH rotation plants.
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95 Malibu Echelon w/Mercruiser 350 Magnum Skier
Former boats: 88 Ski Centurion Tru Trac II 59 Chris Craft Capri (woody) |
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Riley ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-19-2004 Location: Portland, ME Status: Offline Points: 7952 |
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It probably tilted to the right so much because Indmars are known for their massive amount of torque.
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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so why does cc spin thier props starboard
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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Guys, the block is cracked. I guess I should feel fortunate to have gotten a few seasons out of it...but I don't.
Looks like I'll be shopping for a block or a long block or something?!!? |
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nuttyskier2002 ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: September-28-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 669 |
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Sorry to here. But since you need a new block, might a well go with a newer one that is cast to fit the production roller cam setup. If you do that I'd go with the standard rotation as well.
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95 Malibu Echelon w/Mercruiser 350 Magnum Skier
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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I need some pointers again...Yall don't shoot me. I found 1 place that has some used 454's for $850. I found a few others online a little cheaper. Can I use any block or are there certain ones I need to look for...how about a 454 series that was roller from the factory?
I think I follow where 87 was going with the pcm tranny, but I have a brand new one! |
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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Nutty, I was typing when you were. Do you have a casting #'s book for chevy? I'd consider standard rotation, but Eric just built my 10-18 in july?!!? |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21145 |
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Im not jumping on the LH rotation bandwagon yet, but I believe the BW can be indexed for either rotation. |
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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buffalo, we can turn the pump to accomadate a lefty,the trans will work either direction
greg i know some one with a marine 502, which all your ornaments will hang and it is priced right, it is the exact dimension of your 454, if that scares you we could hang some 454 decals on it sorry to hear about your block, how bad is your block? i have alot of good leads on used blocks and complete motors, call me at the shop when you get a chance, eric 877-369-6693 |
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nuttyskier2002 ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: September-28-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 669 |
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Sorry I don't. All my stuff is for SBCs. Eric sounds like your best source. Eric are any of those blocks you can get cast for the factory roller? Did that start the same year as the SBCs ('87)? |
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87BFN owner ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-25-2006 Location: Saline, MI Status: Offline Points: 2194 |
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Eric is that 502 a roller motor or is an older 502? What rotation does it spin. How much is the cost to make are stock trannies turn the other direction? I maybe calling you in the next couple days.
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87BFN owner ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-25-2006 Location: Saline, MI Status: Offline Points: 2194 |
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Oh yeah Eric what fuel systems is on the 502.
Buffalo if you can find a used running 454 for $850 you should jump on it. Around my area they are $1K and above. That's a non roller block. |
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backfoot100 ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: January-03-2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1897 |
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There's one other thing to keep in mind. Going with a LH rotation gives you a LOT more choices for props.
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When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded.
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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Thanks all for the input...
I've talked to everyone I could around here today, and what I've found is that there aren't so many 454's out there and if someone has a 4 bolt they probably won't sell it. Eric, I appreciate the offer and I'm surely gonna need everyone's help sorting this out. I'm going to get it in the morning. |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21145 |
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Sweet deal- glad to see you found one quickly. Since the bottom end needs to be refreshed anyways, you still have all the parts (between the 2 motors) to go either RH or LH rotation... assuming the new one isnt a roller. |
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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If it is a roller, then the parts from the 2 motors don't mix? The blocks are different as well? |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21145 |
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I assume most of the parts will- but Im no BBC expert. I just dont know how much $$$ it will take to have a RH roller cam built... though I would assume its cheaper to stay LH, convert the tranny and buy a new prop. If its a flat tappet motor, I say keep it RH and skip the roller conversion if its $$$. Your money is better spent elsewhere! |
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87BFN owner ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-25-2006 Location: Saline, MI Status: Offline Points: 2194 |
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Is the guy going to give you some kind of warranty that the block is not cracked, or some other problems with the motor. Buying a motor from a private party can be expensive, if they don't tell you the whole story. Something doesn't sound right he put a new crank in it and had head work done to it then, went with a 502. Just be carefull and ask what he will if you run into any problems with the motor, cracked block, cracked heads.
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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Jim it doesnt cost anything to swap the pump on the trans,it 4 bolts and rotate it 180 degrees, the 502 from what i remember was a very low hour complete, intake to pan, i think the hi-teks will bolt up with out any problems,, Ive bought engines from this guy before and he stands behind them and is reputable, at the time he wanted 2k for it which in my eyes is a steal because i cant find them any where unless they are tired and neede gone thru, if your serious i will pass on the guys phone number, its christmas and he may go down to $1500.00. he said it is a drop in, i will also research the stack up of both engines
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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Greg, as jim said be careful but Big block stuff is a whole new world. $500.00 is a hell of a deal and it would be hard to get hurt at that price. small block stuff is a dime a dozen and people hoard the BB stuff and it tends to get pricey. again ask the guy if it has rectangular heads or ovals, everybody wants the rectangulars and remember with your purchase you also have parts that could fetch a return on this motor. hopefully the one your looking at is a roller but chances are its from a mid 80's boat and probably isnt
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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Jim, maybe you and greg should talk? 502...454
i believe it is a late roller jim btw, i will check if you are kicking this around |
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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My block has 4 cracks in the top of the lifter gallery(right term?), so I'll drop it at the scrap yard on my way out of town and pick up a casting #'s book as well.
Eric, that 502 sounds interesting...and drop in for $2000 or less. That might be a less expensive way to go, but how much more gas does that burn? It probably has a carb the size of a small house on top of it. Maybe the 454 stickers would help it burn less?!!? ![]() From the info I have, if all I get for $500 is a good block then I'm still not hurt. My read on this guy selling the HO is that he mostly wants it out of his way and was looking for a good excuse to upgrade his motor. He also said he had the heads off for inspection...not sure what that might indicate. This might be a complete bust or a small gold mine. Eric, I'm taking your shop # for backup! ![]() 'Till later... |
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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Thats what i figured with that guy, anyone up in that size in boats has the money and they are not satisfied till they have a set of 502's in thier boats, for the most part i deal with alot of guys like that and they are usually pretty honest
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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you said yours had 2500 hundred hours and by what your describing was pretty tired and probably required alot more gas to run...a fresh motor who knows.... it may be less it may be more, all i know is my suburban with a BBC gets 10 mpg going down hill, on a good day, and it sits cause no one wants to drive it because of the gas.
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