Obama's Amnesty Move!!

we just added 700,000 legal young workers to the pool when teenage unemployment is 15% and black teenage unemployment is 50%. That should help.

Catch, release, vote program.

You know since you wanna be all fair and all someone mentioned the other day that taxes pay for all government services, Fire police etc. If that is the case why should it cost rich people more for these services? Do they get superior service? Does a better fire dept show up to their house in and emergency? If a rich person calls the cops does the best cops show up? Do the roads and bridges they drive on have a better lane? Why not? They paid more, they should get more.

So you want amnesty because some one snuck in here and brought a child or even had one after they got here.

Europeans wanting to come here need to be sponsored, wait 10- 20 years for their green card and get no special treatment. I'm talking people from England, or Italy, or Germany. Why are Hispanics so much more priviledged?
   

Seth, My experience (20 years 911 responses) is that the lower the income of any given group (race has almost nothing to do with it) the more community services they consume. The rich do not use food stamps, they do not call ambulances for tooth aches and eye infections. They do not collect rent subsidies or welfare, they do not get government purchased insurance unless they are the rich that work for the government. They don't need to use buses, but are happy to take a subsides ride. They commit fewer violent crimes, are incarcerated less, and are the only ones that seem to get billed for police response like when their alarms go off falsely. I don't see the poor ever getting billed for a response. Just where do you see them using more government? They pay nearly all income taxes, and most property taxes and tons of sales tax as compared individually because they consume more. where do you see them using services out of proportion to what they pay?

Seth, Are you saying the ends justifies the means? What happens when we get a president that advocates shooting anyone crossing the boarder? Do you want him (or her) to have that kind of power without congressional approval? I think it should be very hard to get anything through congress. Change for change sake is not a good policy. We don't need (and can no longer afford) failed experiments. We need sound, thought through, and well debated policy.

So you still think it is ok for Romneys votes/cash to come from Sheldon Adleson?   Is that cool with ya?

Jon McCain says it might be a little off base since most casino cash flows in from Macau, or some foreign island that is buying your canidate or election.   

davidg wrote:

Why don't we just bend the laws and let only the "pretty" Russian mail order brides stay in the country who are here illegally now. The ugly ones have to go back. But, wait, the law doesn't discriminate. Isn't she blind? Smart, cute, playing on the play grounds, doesn't matter. The law....is the law. Even your friend John B. told us that a week or so back if I remember correctly. I would sure like to get his opinion on this. Is it now okay to be selective as to which laws we "bend" a little?

Just like Obama himself said a year or so ago....."I am one man, and we have laws in this country, and I just can't break the laws to give you Dreamers what you want". Apparently the fact we are now in an election year, and the "HOPEY, CHANGEY" thing isn't working so well this time and O-Blame-O is really sweating.

Uh, by the by, ever since the BIG Walker win in Wisconsin, I do believe O-Blame-O is a couple of points behind Romney in your state. Thank you Wisconsin!! He should be worried. He has really screwed this country up, and "most" people know it. He just goes around looking for voting blocks to give "stuff" to win their vote. War on women....contraceptives; war on the poor....more foodstamps and "investments"; hispanics....amnesty; teachers/police/firemen....more government jobs so the union dues come back to the Democratic party, etc, etc, etc.

AND, by the by, thank god Congress isn't going along with what Obama wants. He just wants to raise the taxes on the wealthy who now pay most of the taxes in this country, and redistribute, er, uhm, I mean "invest" it in the unions, and his cronies. Congress wasn't created to rubber stamp what an Imperial president wants to do. So, I say, Congress, don't give this guy anything! He will just put us deeper in debt, and divide the country even more than he has already. I thought he was going to bring the country together....."We are not a blue state, we are not a red state....we are the United States".
R-I-G-H-T!!!!!





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Give up the Walker drama. You have no clue, and arguing with you is so boring. Here one last time;

- Walkers "big win" might not be so glorious when you consider his party also lost the leg. that night too.Well, Repubs are requesting a recount. What are you gloating for?
((( And because you are more interested in gloating, and I am not sure you understand, that means Wlaker is going to have a tough time ramming anything through.))))
      
- From what I see Walker will be doing the perp walk pretty quick.
     Hurry Romney jump on the Walker bus, please! Walker is Jon Doe.

- Walker has around 460 days left, and doubt the job numbers are going to help him by then.


- Have we NO police men, women here? Or firefighters? Or teachers on here. Make me wanna puke, you put the middle class under the bus, in a situation you clearly have shown you care only enough about to "stir the pot".
   

- Couple of points on Obama you say? So walker bought those points, and its still ok with you?

Back to the topic at hand Seth, Supply and Demand. How does adding 700,000 more workers to 8.2% unemployment "Help" the middle class. Increase supply and you reduce the price people will pay. Maybe Obama should focus on building an economy that can support more workers rather than buying votes with bad policy.

OverMyHead wrote: Back to the topic at hand Seth, Supply and Demand. How does adding 700,000 more workers to 8.2% unemployment "Help" the middle class. Increase supply and you reduce the price people will pay. Maybe Obama should focus on building an economy that can support more workers rather than buying votes with bad policy.

Yeah, pass the Jobs bill.    Where the heck you been. That will get lots of jobs flowing, and if the republicans don't like part of it, then debate it, agree to something, pass it and lets see the results.

What is your argument against it? Blah...blah...Government jobs I know.


Your tax cuts have not done it.



Man, the 700,000 are ALREADY here. Strap up the Gestapo boots.

Buy votes with bad policy, you kill me....

ononewheel wrote: Firedept priviati For the Daves.

Another nice obscure reference Stick to the topic. How does adding 700,000 young workers to an economy with 8.2 percent unemployment help drive up the standard of living in the middle class.

ononewheel wrote: davidg wrote: Why don't we just bend the laws and let only the "pretty" Russian mail order brides stay in the country who are here illegally now. The ugly ones have to go back. But, wait, the law doesn't discriminate. Isn't she blind? Smart, cute, playing on the play grounds, doesn't matter. The law....is the law. Even your friend John B. told us that a week or so back if I remember correctly. I would sure like to get his opinion on this. Is it now okay to be selective as to which laws we "bend" a little? Just like Obama himself said a year or so ago....."I am one man, and we have laws in this country, and I just can't break the laws to give you Dreamers what you want". Apparently the fact we are now in an election year, and the "HOPEY, CHANGEY" thing isn't working so well this time and O-Blame-O is really sweating. Uh, by the by, ever since the BIG Walker win in Wisconsin, I do believe O-Blame-O is a couple of points behind Romney in your state. Thank you Wisconsin!! He should be worried. He has really screwed this country up, and "most" people know it. He just goes around looking for voting blocks to give "stuff" to win their vote. War on women....contraceptives; war on the poor....more foodstamps and "investments"; hispanics....amnesty; teachers/police/firemen....more government jobs so the union dues come back to the Democratic party, etc, etc, etc. AND, by the by, thank god Congress isn't going along with what Obama wants. He just wants to raise the taxes on the wealthy who now pay most of the taxes in this country, and redistribute, er, uhm, I mean "invest" it in the unions, and his cronies. Congress wasn't created to rubber stamp what an Imperial president wants to do. So, I say, Congress, don't give this guy anything! He will just put us deeper in debt, and divide the country even more than he has already. I thought he was going to bring the country together....."We are not a blue state, we are not a red state....we are the United States". R-I-G-H-T!!!!!

Give up the Walker drama. You have no clue, and arguing with you is so boring. Here one last time;

- Walkers "big win" might not be so glorious when you consider his party also lost the leg. that night too.Well, Repubs are requesting a recount. What are you gloating for?
((( And because you are more interested in gloating, and I am not sure you understand, that means Wlaker is going to have a tough time ramming anything through.))))

A WIN IS A WIN! DEAL WITH IT. YES, THEY LOST JUST ONE OF THE RECALLS, AND NO LONGER HAVE CONTROL OF THE SENATE. SO, IT WILL BE A LITTLE TOUGHER TO GET THINGS DONE. BUT, THE PEOPLE OF WISCONSIN HAVE SPOKEN, AND THEY LIKE THE DIRECTION WALKER IS TAKING THE STATE.
      
- From what I see Walker will be doing the perp walk pretty quick.
     Hurry Romney jump on the Walker bus, please! Walker is Jon Doe.

LET IT GO LOUIE! LET IT GO!

- Walker has around 460 days left, and doubt the job numbers are going to help him by then.

NOT SURE ABOUT THE JOB NUMBERS TWO YEARS FROM NOW, BUT, I KNOW HIS POLICIES ARE WORKING "TODAY"!!


- Have we NO police men, women here? Or firefighters? Or teachers on here. Make me wanna puke, you put the middle class under the bus, in a situation you clearly have shown you care only enough about to "stir the pot".

TEACHERS, COPS, AND FIREFIGHTERS ARE NO LONGER THE MIDDLE CLASS. THEY GET PENSIONS AND PAY PACKAGES THE MIDDLE CLASS WOULD LOVE TO GET. THE PUBLIC HAS AWOKEN TO THE PERKS YOUR BELOVED "MIDDLE CLASS" HAS MANAGED TO WRANGLE FROM THE REAL MIDDLE CLASS OVER THE PAST 30 OR 40 YEARS. NOTHING AGAINST COPS, TEACHERS OR FIREFIGHTERS AT ALL. THEY JUST NEED TO COME BACK TO REALITY, AND STOP SITTING ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE NEGOTIATING TABLE AS THE DEMOCRATS THEY SUPPORT.
   

- Couple of points on Obama you say? So walker bought those points, and its still ok with you?

OOW, YOU GET SO CROTCHETY WHEN THE REPUBLICANS BEAT YOU AT YOUR OWN GAME. I WILL SEE YOU ONE GEORGE SOROS, AND RAISE YOU ONE SHELDON ADELSON. TOO BAD THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE/MONEY SUPPORTING THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE THAT THE "PROGRESSIVE" SIDE.



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JoeinNY wrote: Boring... No talk of solutions based in reality here... reality is the 700,000 wont add to the labor supply.. they already have jobs- they just don't have a social security number so they can't pay taxes. In reality special interest money (business, farmers, the army, etc) keeps them from actually being deported because the people behind the money need the cheap labor.. and dont want them registered because then they can compete for jobs with real wages and benefits that the businesses that currently employ them can't afford to pay them. Can't discuss real solutions when you dont even acknowledge the reality of the situation. But you can be real easy to control. As for rich people not using services... whose land and money do you think it is that the military and police are there to protect? Whose employees and goods are flowing over those roads? Whose employees do we pay to educate and keep healthy? Why waste the energy to get yourself fired up over this stuff if you have no interest in finding fact based solutions?

Thanks for joining in on such a boring discussion......

Well, I will acknowledge there is a real problem here that needs to be addressed. Why don't we get the borders sealed first, and then deal with the people that are here in a sensible, and sensitive way that takes families into account.

However, I don't think that the President not enforcing laws that are on the books is the way to do it. Let's do it through Congress...the way laws are supposed to be passed in this country. Let's see what Marco Rubio has in the works.

I think some sort of worker permit system that would identify who is already here would be a good start. Then, we can decide on the policy that will be acceptable to both parties, and not just the President based on his need for votes.

But, get the border sealed so we don't have to keep dealing with this issue decade after decade.

JoeinNY wrote: Obama continues Money always votes to maintain the status quo... why wouldnt it the status quo works for them and any change might not work quite as well. Leadership requires vision to see that change might work for everybody... People who need to buy elections will always favor ways to keep down the number of voters.. they are cheaper to buy that way.. maximum return for minimum investment.

You are contradicting yourself. Traditionally the democrats raise and spend much more that the republicans. Now because the hope and change gimmick is being seen through as a sham and more money is headed towards the republicans you think they are buying elections. Finnaly money is going to make this a fair fight and you dems don't like to accept fair play.

harddock wrote: You are contradicting yourself. Traditionally the democrats raise and spend much more that the republicans. Now because the hope and change gimmick is being seen through as a sham and more money is headed towards the republicans you think they are buying elections. Finnaly money is going to make this a fair fight and you dems don't like to accept fair play.

You are the one that said it is the republicans trying to buy the elections... that didnt come out of my mouth or fingers. Money doesnt care whether there is a D or R next to the name, as long as the return on investment is there.

If you are not scared about one person spending 1000 times the average american workers salary on one election and the effects that has on democracy- just because you think they support your side then we come from two drastically different view points.

Yes unions spend some money in elections.. they also represented millions of members.. I didnt mind so much, just like I dont mind the NRA spending a bunch of money because they represent millions of members.

The big joke on this issue is the fake talking point that Obama should let congress do its work... 2 years ago the house passed the dream act to take care of this exact issue. The minority in the senate killed it for either nefarious or childish reasons... either way they were working against the will of those elected by the majority of the population to represent them in government.

Now Obama is goint to make them pay for apply and pay for a permit good for 2 years.. to allow them to work and pay taxes. No citizenship, no ammnesty... instead of paying to incarcerate them we are going to put them on the books and have them pay thier share. Boring... it is still a non solution.. better than nothing but he should have done it 2 years ago when congress refused to...

davidg wrote: ononewheel wrote: davidg wrote: - Walkers "big win" might not be so glorious when you consider his party also lost the leg. that night too.Well, Repubs are requesting a recount. What are you gloating for? ((( And because you are more interested in gloating, and I am not sure you understand, that means Wlaker is going to have a tough time ramming anything through.))))

OOW....Not that it matters, but, I forgot to mention that even though the Republicans lost the legislature, it is pretty much meaningless. The Senate is not in session now. New elections will be held in November, and the new Senate will then convene in January. So, its purely symbolic for now unless a special session is convened. Just wanted to make sure I provided accurate information. I know you guys are sticklers for accuracy