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k9spd403
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I know alot of you are gonna think this is a stupid question, but here goes anyways. I have always had I/O boats, and you just wrap ears around the foot to provide water to the engine while on land. Ive noticed alot of videos where it appears that there is a hose hooked to something in th engine compartment while the boats are running on land. Can anyone tell me where the water hook up is a pic would be great mine is a 89 nautique if that helps. Thanks in advance
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316-Ryan
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I believe its called a "fake-a-lake", but I could be wrong. You have to buy it... it connects to your water intake.
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WakeSlayer
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Fake a Lakes are half assed at best.
Take the fresh water supply hose off before the trans cooler. Acquire a 3-5" piece of 1 1/4" I.D. hose and clamp it to the trans cooler. Fill a 5 gallon bucket with water from a hose. Stick your hose from your motor in the bucket, leave the water supply hose in the bucket. Start the boat, start the hose again. You should be able to have a semi even drain / fill ratio in the bucket at idle or slightly above. DO NOT let the bucket run empty. I actually just run the hose to the trans cooler, but this is the "right" way to do it. Do as I say, not as I do. Mike |
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CCrider89
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Wake Slayer
The bucket way is the way I do it too. Get to see if the raw water impeller is working too. Winterize with the antifreeze that way too. |
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WakeSlayer
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that is the only way to get antifreeze in there, so I have to do that.
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Rglover
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I just added the Perko Flush Pro from SKIDIM to mine and I love it. $57.95. Very Easy to install and use. Take a look Perko Flush Pro 1"
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TRBenj
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Ill go on the record one more time and say that I dont like any of the methods mentioned above.
Fake-a-lake = cheesy. Can easily fall off, and sometimes the intake grate is located over a bunk on the trailer. If the RWP demands more flow than the hose can provide, you could collapse the hose and get zero water- frying the impeller and possibly overheating the engine. Same problem with putting a hose right on the tranny cooler- if the hose cant keep up with the demand of the RWP, you might run into problems. Plus, now youre messing with hose clamps- waste of time, IMHO. Im also not a fan of drawing antifreeze into the engine via the RWP... why not pour it in via the thermostat housing per the recommendation in the manual? I do both my Conquerer/Crusaders and PCM's like this. If it has a circ pump, you can pour it in! I guess the Flush-Pro is an OK device... but it seems overly expensive for what it is. My preferred method is a simple tee in the raw water line. Connects and disconnects in seconds- its the first "mod" I do to all of my boats- makes running on the hose a piece of cake. Theres no chance of collapsing a hose- if the RWP demands more flow than the hose can provide, it will just draw some air through the intake grate. Theres no load so you wont overheat, and theres plenty of water for the impeller to stay lubricated, so no problem with this. $15 in parts from Home Depot. |
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Munday
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Tim you always have great pics.I need to move my strainer up where you have yours,its a pain down by the blower discharge.I have a piece of hose that attaches to tranny cooler with female hose bib.It fits all my boats.
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If the only tool you have is a hammer,everything starts to look like a nail.
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C-Bass
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Tim,
It's good to see when someone uses standard parts and their brain instead of buying some high dollar device that probably won't even work as well. I'm assuming that when you turn the water on it just blows out the water pick-up until the motor starts and the impellar starts sucking. Do you get any excess water going out the pick-up when the motor is running? I plan on installing a similar setup in a weeks. |
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TRBenj
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Thanks Munday- I try and take a lot of pics from a bunch of different angles in case I want to see or point out something obscure like this. Every once in a while I can actually find what Im looking for! I re-ran all of my cooling hoses when I did the exhaust- theres a whole lot more room to work with now that the pesky Invertaflow is out of there.
Craig, you've got it. Until the engine is running, the water dumps out the intake. Once its started, it barely drips since the RWP draws it all in. Its probably worth mentioning that Ive had better luck finding the parts at Lowes than HD... what you see there is a 1" barb x 1" barb x 1/2" female NPT tee, a 1/2" male NPT to female GHT (garden hose thread) adapter, and a garden hose quick shuttoff valve. Dont forget to buy 2 hose clamps! |
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WakeSlayer
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I actually have a T on my SAN, however, it has never worked. I think it has something to do with the location of it and the distance etc it has to travel. Maybe it is a BBC thing. Not sure. Path of least resistance. No idea, but it does not work.
I guarantee it would work on the Mustang. While I am inclined to agree that the above is probably the best way, I have never had an issue with my way(s) either. |
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Gary S
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I do mine like Mike. I'm not a big fan of plastic fittings, especially on thru hulls without a shutoff.
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C-Bass
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What do you mean by "it has never worked"? It won't pull water into the impeller? If so, maybe the impeller is going/gone bad. I would think a good one would provide enough suction to overcome quite a bit of distance and even height of the water going someplace else. Maybe the impeller is just not primed to start out with as well. |
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TRBenj
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I hear you Gary- but remember that the tee is made out of the same heavy duty PVC used on the fittings for the Sherwood strainer... which Correct Craft has been installing since ~1986. Mike, strange that the one on your Python doesnt work. I guess air is easier to draw in than water, though. Still, all of mine overcome gravity just fine. They arent always primed either- I reinstall the pump dry after winter storage. |
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C-Bass
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By the way...not doubting you, just kinda curious as to what may make it not work.
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WakeSlayer
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Yup, thought of that and changed out a perfectly good impeller to test that theory. I do not get it. I would prefer to use the T on that boat as the whole engine compartment is gobble up with engine, it is actually a bit of a pain to pull the hoses. My engines sit full of antifreeze all winter so my pumps and such are primed and ready to go. Oh well.
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Hollywood
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The RWP has to be pulling air from somewhere Mike if the garden hose water is dumping out the intake grate.
The trans cooler on the "smaller" engines just use a 1" (I.D.) hose. This is the absolute cheapest method I can think of. 1' of non-reinforced 1" clear PVC hose and 2 hose clamps. You could get away with reusing the 2 that go from the strainer to the cooler but this is just easier. Tim's method is probably the safest. I can definitely collapse that PVC hose at around 2k rpm. Reinforced house would only make you think you're fine and not notice the garden hose collapsing. |
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WakeSlayer
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^^That is exactly what I do.^^
I have gone through the entire system and checked hose clamps, new O-ring on the strainer, everything. It makes no sense. This will be the 5th year I have had the boat. There are no issues with the engine at all that I have had. No temp problems, nothing. I guess it could be the fitting itself ?? I have not viewed it as enough of an issue to go beyond what I have to figure it out. |
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Pgaboeing
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I have run the same setup as Tim for over 14yrs with no problems. I do have good water pressure at the house and I use a commercial quality hose.
The set-up is very inexpensive at Home Depot and you can get a quick disconnent for the feed hose that has a female coupling that will not allow water to flow out of the hose (Check Valve)until it is hooked up to the male coupling on the boat. This will keep form getting the inside of the boat all wet before putting it away for the season. Also you can turn the hose on before climbing into the boat and disconnect it before you climb out without having to jump in and out to turn the water on and off. |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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I use the clear reinforced hose to do the same thing and your absolutely right. The garden hose will collapse before the clear reinforced hose will. this happened to me a couple years ago. I noticed it right away and shut it down with no problem. Picked up an industrial strength 3/4" hose and haven't had a problem since. I have a well and the pump will run continuously while the boat is running. You need to make sure you have a big strong hose, especially if you don't have really high water pressure. |
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Or you could just install the tee, and never worry about water pressure or jockeying with hose clamps ever again. |
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79nautique
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well if it's collasping the hose then you are turning to many RPMs in the drive way/ on land or you water pressure is next to nothing.
At idle the hose should be fine never had any issue with the hose collapsing on mine. also you have to open the valve for the hose all of the way, if you just crack it open then you restricting the flow. |
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Mike and Tim, thanks for setting me straight... I probably would have bought one of those things.
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Randy_in_Ohio
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I never run over idle in the driveway. Like I said, I haven't had a problem since I got the bigger diameter hose.
I think I will pick up the parts from Lowes this weekend and install Tim's set up. |
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316-Ryan
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Okay, I went out and further inspected my motor, making note of several things. I'm not savvy in any way, shape, or form when it comes to the motor/ trans... so this may seem a bit ridiculous of a question, but I'm going to be damn certain before I start running water into it.
Is this the T at the bottom right in the picture? I can see the the hose is coming from the hull, but like I said, I just want to make sure. |
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WakeSlayer
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Yes.
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Randy_in_Ohio
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Where is Ryan's strainer?
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316-Ryan
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Alright, just went out and tried it. I filled a cooler with water, put one end of the hose in the cooler, and connected the other end to the T. Nothing.
I went out and took a closer picture, because I have the same question as Randy. Is it the copper cylinder? Is it possible that my impeller is still sound, and that the strainer is just clogged? |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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I'm pretty sure the copper thing is the transmission cooler. You may not have a strainer. I think some of the older ones didn't have them. If you don't have one, I would probably look into adding one just to keep things clean.
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316-Ryan
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I take the first question back... that would be the transmission oil cooler.
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