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pmgIA
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Can you enlighten me on what I own please? Also any input on what to watch for and tip would be appreciated.
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1993 Correct Craft Sport (for sale)
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eric lavine
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you have a ERD WRR10 lol
I would say you have a 351 ford...I think there are manuals on this site somewhere that will help you identify the engine, look in the manual section hey, if they put a T on the front of ERD, then i know it was a ford |
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TRBenj
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You have a mid-late 70's Escort conversion- they were bought out by PCM around that time, hence the Pleasurecraft tag (the E is the giveaway). Im guessing the motor is painted white? The motor itself is a reverse rotation 240hp Ford 351w, and its mated to a 1:1 BW tranny.
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pmgIA
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The top of the engine says 250 on it, if that helps? So it IS a FORD 351 for sure? Escort is the company that converted it to a marine engine? and Escort is now part of PCM? For sure?
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storm34
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pmg...where do you live in Iowa? A couple CCFan guys are talking about getting together the 11th at the Res in Iowa City.
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pmgIA
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I'm about 3 miles away
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storm34
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Cool... If I can make it over I will let you know. Possibly a Saturday and Sunday morning deal then going to the auction @ Delhi.
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TRBenj
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Yes for sure. Unless the tag was removed from another engine and put on yours, it should be exactly as I posted above. Get a picture of the entire engine and post it if you want. |
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pmgIA
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Sorry for the poor quality, I can do better if needed.
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GottaSki
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Holy overheat, Batman!
Looks like a chevy style carb fuel inlet, , pop the spark arrestor off at lest see if it has j-tube vents. The external float adjust on a 4160 suggests its not marine. Get the list number off the air horn for us to confirm. That rubber fuel line abortion is an film-at-eleven accident waiting to happen. Get the model number of that new mallory and see its more cahpahts. |
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remove the flame arrestor (air filter) so we can see the inside of the carb..but I suspect its not a marine carb..so better start lokking for a marine replacemnt..unless you like to do unsafe boating...
Looks like the rear plastic lid took some heat..its kinda melted..wonder what happened |
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pmgIA
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Ok, I will do this tomorrow. Can you please explain to me the difference between what you suspect this is and a marine carb, from a safety perspective?
I don't know what happened to the cover, I know that my wife's family (now us) are the second owners and it was that way when we purchased it from the original owner. I'll call and ask what happened, but he sold it to us in 1987. If I get an answer I will post it. Thanks for all the help, and YES, safe boating is a priority to me so I appreciate the help! |
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pmgIA
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This is what I found, I hope it is what you are looking for?
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kapla
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that confimrs our thoughts..that carb is not for marine use...its automotive..an in case of bowl overflow/flood, it will drip fuel all over the engine/bilge causing a big fire hazard...marine carb have j vent tubes that will direct the overflowed fuel back to the carb throats..they also all base shaft are sealed to prevent any leak.
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8122pbrainard
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Patrick,
As mentioned above, get the fuel line from the pump to the carb changed out to steel when you get the marine carb on it. It's a USCG regulation. |
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Fwiw, early marine carbs did not have J tubes, so simply saying no J tubes equates to not a marine carb is a bit of a stretch.
Externally adjustable float bowls also don't necessarily mean it is n automotive carb due to it's age. Now if that motor were newer, then both the lack of J tubes and the externally adjustable float would be very telling auto carb signs. But it isn't that new. If that was a GM based motor it would be lost cause. You have one of the best ever marinized motors in that boat. |
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8122pbrainard
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Tom, My Escort in the Tique has J tubes! Tell me, when you state "early" marine carbs, could you be more specific with years? |
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horkn
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Pete, how about you tell me?
LOL The 70's had some of those j tube less carbs. This has come up several times, and there are a lot of assumptions being made. You can assume that it has to have J tubes if it is a marine carb, but you know what outcome you can get when you start assuming. Marinization procedures have changed a bit over the years with what is required for USCG compliance, but retroactive rules are not in place, just like the lack of catalytic converters on older cars. Obviously, safety is a huge concern, and for that reason alone it is important to raise these questions. |
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Just some information to add; Barry Grant Marine Demon carbs have externally adjustable float and sight glass in the bowl.
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351 Windsor 71c Velvet drive tranny. You can buy or make J tubes for the carb, they divert the gas back in the carb in case of sticking floats
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Guys....I have a 351 RR Ford Escort conversion in my boat. It also had stickers on the valve covers that said "250" or "255" (can't remember....and engine has since been painted). Does that refer to horsepower? One would think so, but, it seemed most of these 351's had 240 HP. Just curious if anybody can clarify that. |
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8122pbrainard
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Dave,
Yes that would be the HP for the 351. Here's the Escort in my 77. No HP markings but I feel it's the norm for the 302 engine and about 220. |
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One way you can tell the 302 from the 351 the intake manifold is wider on the 351.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn't the fuel line from the filter to the carb be a metal line? (steel?) If so, what is the reasoning behind this? I've always seen them metal and wondered what would make them safer. |
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Yes Chris, and the plastic manifold elbow reminds me of an Indmar.
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8122pbrainard
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Chris, Yes, it should be metal or a USCG hose assembly approved for the high pressure side of the pump to the carb. I spotted the abortion of a fuel line too but didn't mention anything since it already had been discussed by Tom. The reason behind it? It half assed shade tree mechanics who can't bend or flare steel line!!!! Yes it is s BIG safety factor especially the "slip some rubber tubing over the cut off old steel line and hope it holds without even a barbed fitting trick"!!! It's the pressure factor that's the big problem. Even though the rubber line may be USCG rated for gas, it's for the suction side from the tank to the pump. |
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I can think of a few reasons.. the first being that rubber can wear through from rubbing something.. so can the metal line but it will experience less movement than a rubber line and will generally stay where you put it without being dependent on the operators zip tie skills..
Two, should you experience a fire under your engine compartment or even an extreme engine overheat, you would not want that line to melt and add fuel (pressurized fuel even) to the situation. There is typically a rubber line that is marine rated that runs from the tanks to the filter on these boats and it is both extra thick and rated at higher temps than typical fuel hose. It might be a viable alternative for the fuel pump to the carb but it is ungodly expensive compared to the metal, doesnt look as good, and still needs to be zip tied. Lastly the methods of attachement for the metal vs rubber are more reliable.. once you get a good seal you pretty much keep it. Some of us have used stainless braided hoses basically to be pretty.. they take care of some of these issues when compared to standard rubber fuel lines.. particularily the abrasion and end treatment failure modes and the good lines are typically higher temp rated rubber.. but not to the melting point of copper, steel, or aluminum. All this is less important in cars where a little gas leak on the road rarely if ever does damage.. a little gas leak in your boat will eventually cause a thermal event... |
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And spoken directly from the person who recently had to use his fire extinguisher! |
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Surprised Billy hasn't jumped on this
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