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An interesting article. What do you all think about this?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101005/pl_yblog_upshot/rural-tennessee-fire-sparks-conservative-ideological-debate |
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MI-nick
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if they put out his fire, next year NO ONE would pay the $75 fee and there would be no fire dept.
harsh point, but one that needed to be made in my opinion... |
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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eric lavine
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who wants to bet this clown will pay the 75 bucks next time, shame on him, just wait until the insurance company shows up and he starts crying again...if i was the insurer i would tell him to piss up a rope...
if i was the fire dept i would be chanting burn baby burn, after of course i knew everyone safe |
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Okie Boarder
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Do you think he should have to pay for the service or should it just be "free" (paid for by tax revenues)?
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MI-nick
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moot point as his area charges a fee that he chose not to pay. |
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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Hollywood
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If it could be paid for by tax revenue what is the purpose of the fee?
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Keuka
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My fire protection service is paid for by tax revenue and various fund raisers thorought the year. It is a 100% volunteer department. I have an annual fee that we pay for ambulance service. They will bill my health insurance but I will not have any further liability. If I were to not pay the $40.00 annual fee, I would be liable for 100% of the charge. I think this fire dept should have acted in the same manner. Put out the fire but bill the individual for service.
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Exactly. Play stupid games,win stupid prizes. Mike |
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Hollywood
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"Cranick's fellow residents in the rural stretches of Obion County had no fire protection until the county established the $75 fee in 1990."
I wonder how long this guy knew this, if he was an original 1990 resident or moved in a few years ago but still chose not to pay the fee. Tough lesson to be learned. |
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I brought it up in a different discussion about this subject, but I'm more of a fan of pay for use then using tax revenue. I'd rather pay a fee for fire protection, ambulance service, just about anything. I'm a little biased on the toll road side of things because I work in the industry, but I like that idea versus publicly (tax) funded roads. I'd be all for plan like this for just about anything we could apply it to.
I think this guy go a much better understanding of the idea of "accountability and personal responsibility". |
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I guarentee It would be a lot more than 75 if the local taxing authority got their fingers in it. and there would be no choice to pay it. |
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Riley
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They sound like mercenaries, not firemen.
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Well said! Yes, you pay with taxes if appropriate and built into your taxes or you pay the separate fee if you want the service. What he was expecting was a service without payment. Just as Eric mentioned, I hope the insurance company sticks it to him. Wait a minute, maybe he didn't pay for it as well! |
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Riley
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You guys are cruel. The guy may have been a cheap b**tard, but for the fire department to watch his house burn down over $75.00? That's disgusting. Pete, what kind of fire department do they have up where you built your "shop"? If it's volunteer, I hope you get your wallet out when they come around fund raising.
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Would the scenario change if a kid was trapped in the fire? I can see the law being what it is but having been a fire/rescue person I can't see anyone not doing anything. I have been on a department during a strike and 1/2 the guys wouldn't respond (volunteer) but neighboring towns and some of the town firemen wouldn't let a houe burn to the ground. The service however is compensated for through our property tax.
I have mixed feelings on this one. |
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8122pbrainard
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Bruce, The department is staffed by about 1/4 full time and 3/4 volunteer. It's fully funded via the property taxes. Fund raising? Yes, if I'm up there when they hold the annual firemen's picnic, I make sure I go in town and get a couple of their brats and of course several of their beers! If fire services were a pay on your own system, I'd be paying it just like I do for the non tax paid garbage disposal. |
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We're volunteer paid for with property taxes and fund raising. I don't care what the situation is, when they show up with equipement and watch your house burn down to send message, they're not acting like firemen.
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Is it much different than taking a guys house for back taxes? This sounds like a private business, offering service where none existed before in the form of firefighting insurance, without them the guys only option would have been to watch it burn. He had the option to pay and chose to take the risk. You can't get life insurance after you are already dead, Or car insurance after the accident, and you can not buy insurance for cancer after you are diagnosed.....ahh nevermind, I guess were gonna do that. If people know that they will get service without paying no one would pay, and then this buisness would cease to exist. Then everyone in the area would have to sit and watch their houses burn down. There is also the problem with a company accessing private property without a contract. Personally If I ran the company I would fight uninsured fires with the owners permission but at an outragous price. Maybe $10,000 per 1000 msq feet of house, you could still get some attention without having to completely enrage the do gooders and soft of heart. |
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this guy is self absorbed, probably buys 2 cases of cheap fcn beer a week, 200 bucks in lottery tickets and hates city hall and its represenitives...his way to fck the system, point being its 75 bucks, and he got stung...obviously if there was a kid trapped the firefighters would have gotten the kid out, its not about safety, its about some old codger being an *************** and getting what he deserves. I would also bet he didnt have insurance on the double wide. firefighters risk their lives and any fire could be their last fire, in the same situation I to would refuse to put it out. dollar for dollar it equates to about 40 cents a day for the service
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eric lavine
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and to boot, this is a guy that if he had insurance, would squeeze every last nickel from them....he's a taker, not a giver
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eric lavine
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I would bet this guy gets a dis-ability check every month......
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and once the kid was out they would go back to watching it burn? Sounds like you know this guy. |
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eric lavine
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I know the type
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When it's legal for the fire department, police department, armed forces, etc. to choose who and who not they'll protect, we're in big trouble.
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harddock
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I would think that in a case like the story above the fire department could bill out the cost of putting out the fire ($3,000, $10,000, or whatever) and bill the insurance company which could deduct the amount from what they payout to the homeowner.
What would happen if the neighbor who paid the $75 wasn't home, the firemen didn't show up and his house went up too? The fee while reasonable enough would need a bettter job of enforcement. Now we may have to deal with the fire department, the homeowner, Obama, and Biden discussing this on the West lawn over beer. |
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Bruce, At least they are getting paid via or taxes! |
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I see what you're saying Bruce, but if the neighbors had not paid the fee they wouldn't have shown up at all.Sticky situation. I highly doubt the firefighters had much say in it.Probably the chief's decision and most likely why he got his ass beat later that night at the firestation. I don't know any firefighters who would sit by and watch that happen if it was up to them. Maybe they need a better solution for things like this. Like perhaps if you don't pay the fee, we'll come put your fire out but will send you a bill for the expenses occurred and attach it to a lein on your house until paid. That would keep people honest and not just "forgetting" to pay the fee and expecting service anyway. I don't buy that the guy forgot either. He gambled......and lost. Mike |
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good answer
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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Wow , talk about your profiling. You sound like an angry white conservative. Where is the tolerance and compassion? |
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eric lavine
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were talking about 75 bucks, why would you even question paying for a service, i would bet if this was down in the ghetto you wouldn't give 2 ***************s...its a white guy trying to fck the system. if he was my neighbor and i knew he was uninsured, and no fire service, i would be on his ass. and you would be pissed off if it caught your Tundra in the drive on fire and finding out that your insurance company wont cover it because it wasn't your fire that burned it.
Am i profiling, yes, he is a white piece of trash that gambles, and when i say gambles, he went with the odds and didn't think he would ever need the service...I get angry from stupidity |
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