$4 gas... question?

Sorry Tom, But I am not going to thank the government for bumping up the price of my fuel by 50 cents a gallon. At least not until they start spending the money more prudently. Your logic escapes me, if I complain about the cost of fuel for my truck or boat, what makes you think I am funded to spend thirty grand on a prius that can't pull my boat or haul my tools. Now I need two insure and maintain two vehicles. I am complaining because our government is giving money to Brazil to develop thier oil industry and promising to be their best customer while banning our own oil companies from drilling here when our unemployment is at 9%. Our fuel may be cheap compared to other some countries but it could be much cheaper. Oil is the lubricant of our economy. Restricting it slows the economy. Severely restricting it grinds the economy to a halt. In a free country I see the governments role as providing thing that individuals and private companies cannot provide for themselves, not dictate what will be provided as a matter of social policy. Gas taxes are to pay for transportation, and it is clear americans like to drive their own cars, few choose public transportation unless they are forced into using it, so those that think they know what is best for us divert money from roads to build light rail and fund bus sytems that can never support themselves finacialy and than try to increase the cost of fuel to get us to use their idea of transportation.

Your are correct that corn is not the best utilized food by our bodies, but it is an even worse fuel. If we converted every inch of farm land in the us to growing corn forfuel, there is no way we can ever grow enough to replace oil, not even close. Currently ethanol is subsidised to come close to competeing, between the state and federal funding ethanol recieves $1 per gallon subsidy. that means I not only pay for my gas but my tax dollars pay for someone else to use an inferior fuel. It also reguires duplicative systems for transport and refining reducing efficiency, since it delivers less energy per gallon we end up using up more storage and transport capacity per unit of energy. Despite it being advertised as clean burning it puts out more particulate pollution and is worse for asthmatics. Corn production uses horrific amounts of water resources. The worst part is using food for fuel by the law of supply and demand increases the cost of food. The government magically keeps food and fuel out of inflation figure, if included we would be seeing significant inflation right now. I believe biofuels will be part of our future, but we need to use waste bio sources, not food. Re-purposing used fryer oil is brilliant. if we can make it out of fallen leaves and grass clippings great. If we can filter the algea out of the lakes that comes from farmers fertalising their corn crops even better. But we have to get the technology to the point where an alternative can match or beat the price of curently used fuels, and not by artificially inflating the price of oil. We have 100 years of oil right here in the US. By the time we use it up we will have alternatives. no nead to deprive ourselves now. When the time is right and it is profitable people will line up to produce alternatives.

Yes, the government actually has been good at keeping the prices as low as possible.

Anyone disagreeing with that should go live somewhere that fuel is very expensive and still makes our current high prices seem laughable. That would be most of the democratic countries int he world by the way.

Dave, your analogy is a bit drastic to say the least.

I'll say it again, because unfortunately it's been falling on deaf or closed ears, but corn is a horrible source of food for anything. It makes better fuel than food.

If anyone wants to argue that point with me, go eat a couple cobs of corn and when you take a #2, you'll see why. It's largely indigestible. Pigs, chickens, cows, fish, they feed it to all those "farm" stock and they become fat and out of shape. Make it into corn syrup, and while it does sweeten stuff up, it's known to very bad for you. It's probably the biggest reason for the increased rates of diabetes in America.

Also, ethanol is not as bad as many people think it is for engines. Internet hype will easy make anything seem like it is the best or worst thing ever.

Anyone bitching about gas should probably buy a more efficient vehicle. I'm shocked that some folks still use H2 hummers for daily drivers. I'm not happy about gas prices being as they are now, but I won't rant about it. I drive 70 miles a day, and I don't do much more than a little complaint once in a while. Then again, my old SUV got about 3-4 mpg less than my not so fuel efficient v8 car does.

Big oil has been relying on the repugnicans for convenient tax breaks and the means to post huge profits even despite lean economic times.

Ever wonder why Shrub flew his Middle eastern cronies out of the US after all the planes were grounded in 2001?   If protocol had been carried out, that plane would have landed in about a million pieces after being blown up by a couple of US fighter jets.

In any case, biofuel from will be taking the place of ethanol in the near future. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=biofuel-from-bacteria

I don't care about high fuel prices.

Less tubers. Less jetskis.

I'm kinda with you Joel, I am not going to let gas prices stop me from one of the few enjoyments in life.... slow down a bit, maybe, but not stop.

I havent had a bike for over 20 years... keep "threatening" my wife that I am going to get one because of gas prices. Actually its just the excuse to get another.

In reality, the numbers dont work out.By the time you buy the bike, add insurance and plates, and factor in the fact we can only use it 1/3 of the total year(if your lucky), the savings are not there. Plus, with our business, I haul something almost daily. (BTW, Dont let my wife see this part)

Plan ahead, buy a smarter car...sounds good right? Well they're already considering a milage tax to make up for gas tax revenue lost to all electric cars. We all know you can't sue city hall, but it's even tougher to 'out-shaft' em!

we are not under a dictatorship and last time i checked we were all able to freely make our own choices, maybe its time to start making wiser choices....not living like free spirited hippies in a free society, i really think it all boils down to the choice we make can controls the governments outcome...really im thinking today already what i will be doing tommorow, getting in the car and mapping out the best route and not going out 3 times for the things i need....simple things like that. oh, and not buying any Chinese sht lol

gun-driver wrote: Take a look at the ingredients, in most food products "CORN" in some form is one of the main ingredients.

Well, seeing as how my Dad and Mom still have farms in Iowa and Illinois the price of corn has gone up so at least the hard working farmer has a little better life $$ wise. Just wish my Uncle and Grandfather were still around to see it ( well somewhat). Both were in their late 70's and still farming when they died.

I am not crying about high prices, I am BITCHING about the unintended consequences of government meddling. and I wish I had a diesel.

malcolm2 wrote: They will tax ME more when I register the vehicle to pay for your non taxed bio-fuel. Clark

Sorry about that...NOT!!!

You have the same choice as me, either pay out your nose at the pump or take things into your own hands and do something about. I chose to do something instead of crying about high prices.

I love this website. http://www.twincitiesgasprices.com/retail_price_chart.aspx

It doesn't answer your question, but it does show the issue graphically.

You can pick the cities, add the crude line, change the time graphed. It is great.

Clark

Gunny's doing the same damn thing, not relying

put yourself in a position of profits, lets say your the drug dealer down on the corner and no metter what you do, you have a steady stream of customers, they need that drug regardless, their addicted and you feed off of this, you know if you jack the price up that day they will beg borrow or steal to pay that. on the other side of the coin these addicts are going to re-hab not needing that drug as much so your stream of customers diminishes, your not so dependent on that dealer anymore, he needs to set up shop in a different neighborhood to keep up his habit, you need less and less of that drug..its a simple choice just like Horkn riding his motorcycle back and forth,
we mandated i believe the mpg ratings from 24 mpgs to 32mpg's starting in 2013, its not the government which they have no control of oil prices, they are in control of keeping it lower by defending the countries that do produce oil, Really are gas is cheap compared to the rest of the world, but, if you can see the Europeons are not driving around in big Escalades, dodge hemi's, they have acclimated to the high oil prices they pay....so does the problem start with the government? probably not

malcom, drilling here is not the real answer. Not at the rate China is consuming oil. Remember, we owe China a TON of money. More future in oil belongs to biogas and other non traditional fuels.

I took my motorcycle today and yesterday to work. I saved about 16 dollars on gas versus my car for the 2 days even though I had to endure 2 morning 40 minute commutes at 37 degrees.

Back to the near 20mpg car again for thursday and Friday due to rain.

Obama wants our fuel prices to be like they are in Europe...He said that before people voted for him. Just proves no one listens. I hate to wish my life away, but he has got to go. Problem is the next guy won't take us back to $1.75 gas either. DRILL, DRILL, DRILL!

and you just posted one of those reversable numbera 14141   


MA today $4.09 to $4.13   Ten minute drive into CT $4.22 & $4.31