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    Posted: June-23-2011 at 1:37am
I just bought a 78 Correct Craft Southwind today and I am unsure of what motor it has in it. I believe it is a Chevy due to the placement of the distributor, but am not sure of displacement. Does anyone know what engines were offered for this boat? Also, The id plate next to the drivers seat states it is a southwind 20', but the decals say southwind 18'. Is this common? Thanks for your help.

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Typically you will see either the Chevy 350 or the 305.   Earlier models were OMC but later models were Mercruiser.

The lenght can be confirmed on thE hull id located on the upper right corner of the transom just under the rub rail.

Were did you pick up your Southwind?

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Thanks! I figured it would be either a 302 or 350, but I am not seeing any other markings or ID plates on the engine to confirm displacement. Thanks for the welcome. I found it in western PA. It is in good shape with only minor wintertime repairs and was also the right price. I am excited to get this old girl out on the water and also do some restoration in the wintertime.
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I meant 305. I was thinking ford motors again with the 302.
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Pictures please!!!   Its not too often there is another Southwind thread here!
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I think the Southwinds were great boats having had several of them over the years. All of my Southwinds were 20 footers both bow rider and closed bow models, some with OMC Chryslers and 350 Chevy Mercruisers, but most had the 351 PCM Ford engines. I understand some Southwinds even had Io's and jet drives, but I've never seen any.
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I have to agree with you guys. I think the Southwind is a very versatile and unique boat, but I may be biased:). Regarding engines, I think they may be underpowered with the 351's, especially if they are carrying any ballast (as in wet foam) and a full load of people/gear. I would love to try the open bow model with a 454 in it. I plan to put an ACME 542 on mine which will help the hole shot. With the deep V hull, the wakeboarding wake is also decent, but, the slalom wake is pretty rough on the kidneys.
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I've gotta think there are a few Southwinds that came with 454 engines. After all, a Southwind 20, a Barefoot 19, and a Martinique 19 had the same hull with a different deck and the 454 was available in the Barefoot and the Martinique. Let me clarify, I'm referring to the 81-83 19 Martinique, not the 20 Regal with the Correct Craft name plates. Being a low production company, I would think Correct Craft would put any engine in any hull to make a sale. I personally had a 76 Southwind 20 with a 351 Cleveland Commander. Some people on this site said it couldn't be, but I had it just the same.
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Richard.....Correct Craft sure did put 454's in the Southwind Open Bow's, and possibly the 20. I was tracking an '82 Open Bow down in Missouri, but, it looks like it sold. I think that was a fairly rare option, but, they are out there.

Also, I found your comment interesting about the Regal with the CC nameplate. I had always heard that Correct Craft did that on one model back in the 80's. Which model are you referring to? I had always thought it was the '87-'89 Martinique, but, Ken Meloon told me last year at GL that the Martinique was a CC design and mfg by them as well. That model sure looks a lot like a Celebrity or Regal of the same vintage in my opinion.

Lastly, regarding the Cleveland engine, it was only built by Ford from '70-'74. Are you sure your engine was Cleveland? I would bet you a cold beer it was a Windsor. But, I have been wrong before
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Originally posted by sam57 sam57 wrote:

I personally had a 76 Southwind 20 with a 351 Cleveland Commander. Some people on this site said it couldn't be, but I had it just the same.

Yes, I'm one of them and just waiting for the others to comment!! Proof is needed!!! Who's mainization???

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Yes, I'm the Sam who went to the boat show with Eric and Randy and I know a lot more about Chris Crafts than I do about Correct Crafts.

The 351 Cleveland in my 76 Southwind was a Commander with a leaking intake manifold. I bought an aluminum Edlebrock from Summit and found it to be too narrow for the space between the heads. Summit said it must be a Cleveland or at least a 302 with the boss heads. I contacted the previous owner who said he was told it was a Cleveland engine but couldn't supply any more information. The correct intake was more expensive so I got the original repaired, kept the boat a few months and sold it.

The Correct Craft/Regal I'm referring to would be the 20 ft. 87-89 Martinique/Riviera/Cuddy. I would doubt Correct Craft would admit to such shenanigans as it would open them up to lots of lawsuits from owners who thought they were buying Correct Crafts. I also once looked a 23 ft. Correct Craft that looked a lot like a Regal or a Wellcraft. It was a PCM straight inboard which Regal never made in that size and had Correct Craft nameplates, serial #'s and title.

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Sam....sorry for calling you Richard, but thats what your profile indicated your name was. I was curious about the Sam57 and your name was Richard. Just keeping us on our toes:).

Anyway, I think you are right about the Regal/Martinique connection. To me, the Martinique just does not look like a Correct Craft design. Its a good looking boat, and very practical. I had an '87 a few years back.


Also, I am wondering if your Cleveland could have been an re-power? I doubt the factory ever put Clevelands in the boats. I have never seen one anyway.
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Sam, there was more of a chance of it being a clevor (cleveland heads on a windsor block) than it being a cleveland.   Even then, something sounds off.


As far as a 351 being underpowered for a southwind, there is nothing saying it has to only be 240 hp. ;)

454s of that era only had like 330 hp.   Iknow pcm marinized 460s as well, but I have not seen a cc with one in it.
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I'm not a mechanic, so I don't really know what the engine in my 76 Southwind was. I can only go by the information supplied to me by others.

Didn't mean to cause any confusion. My name is Richard Samoila and I started using Sam many years ago for restaurant reservations rather than having to spell my last name several times for stupid reservationists.
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Originally posted by sam57 sam57 wrote:

Yes, I'm the Sam who went to the boat show with Eric and Randy and I know a lot more about Chris Crafts than I do about Correct Crafts.
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I've got the 2010 ACBS directory here at work and the current 2011 is at home. I don't see you listed in the 2010. If you haven't joined, you should think about it.

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I'm trying to resurrect my 1978 Southwind 20. It's been sitting for a few years. I've always had a difficult time finding engine parts for it, but after seeing all of the confusion about what engine is in these boats, it starts to make sense why finding parts is so difficult...Mine has a decal on top of the air filter that says "351 Pleasurecraft"...
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most likely you have a 351 windsor ford engine....
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Great to see some Southwind talk..........

There was a wide variety of Southwind engines. I have a 74 Southwind 18 with Thermo-Electron 351. My brother has an older Southwind 20 with a Chrysler 225(hp). If you look in the Reference section, printed right on the 1973 Correct Craft Brochure for Southwind(s)was a menu of engine options & sizes including Chrysler, Palmer, Holman Moody,OMC,& Waukesha; as well as I/O & Jet options.

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I believe the Thermo-Electron became the Interceptor, and the Waukesha became PCM. Internally, I think all of the Fords were the same. Summit Racing sold a lot of them and called them industrial engines.
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Originally posted by Irydslow Irydslow wrote:

I'm trying to resurrect my 1978 Southwind 20. It's been sitting for a few years. I've always had a difficult time finding engine parts for it, but after seeing all of the confusion about what engine is in these boats, it starts to make sense why finding parts is so difficult...Mine has a decal on top of the air filter that says "351 Pleasurecraft"...

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What parts are you having a problem finding? They should be pretty easy to get.


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I've purchased parts for the boat that just don't fit when I try to install them. Any suggestions for good reliable sources any has found for purchasing parts would be greatly appreciated. I'm just beginning my rebuild. Thx for the input! Btw I'm psyched I found this forum!
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Chris,
You still didn't say what parts you are having a problem with. Knowing that will help us steer you in the proper direction. Where are you going for the parts you are getting?


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Originally posted by sam57 sam57 wrote:

I believe the Thermo-Electron became the Interceptor, and the Waukesha became PCM. Internally, I think all of the Fords were the same. Summit Racing sold a lot of them and called them industrial engines.


DrCC once elaborated on an earlier thread; as I recall Thermo-Electron bought Palmer and Crusader in the early 70's. Many marinizations of the basic Ford engines. Curious on the Interceptor history, in the 60's my father put an Interceptor 289 (I think) in his 50something Century Resorter.
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The Ford Interceptor engine was marinized by the Eaton marine division of Ford.


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My mistake, Eaton did become Interceptor and Thermo-Electron became Crusader. Once again, old age did me in.

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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

The Ford Interceptor engine was marinized by the Eaton marine division of Ford.


Pete I knew you'd know. Ok, so we know Chrysler marine engines were factory-produced by the Chrysler Marine Division, and at least one Ford version (Interceptor) was factory-produced by Ford/Eaton...did GM ever factory-produce marine engines or were they all marinized by outside parties?
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I said Palmer was first then Thermo then Crusader.
But, when you're talking Crusader, there was about three diffferent companies tagged Crusader.
Palmer flagged Crusader
Cal Connell Crusader
Chris Craft Crusader
I think Reid has the timeline all figured out but reluctant to share.
I believe it was the Cal C. Crusader which evolved into the one we know as the Conqueor/Crusader.

Anyway, I kinda believe Sam about the Cleveland.
I have an article around here somewhere that basically talks about CC in 1974 produced only a handful of SN's powered with the 351 Cleveland. They stated that these would be the rarest of the rare, and also went on to say that these few were guaranteed 50 mph right off the showroom floor.
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Chris,
You still didn't say what parts you are having a problem with. Knowing that will help us steer you in the proper direction. Where are you going for the parts you are getting?


Sry, I've just started my rebuild, so I've just been pulling the old girl apart assessing what I need at this point. I just recall when I last worked on her, struggling with the stealership and marina trying to find parts. I put a complete ignition system in her, and can vividly recall the four letter words I used going back and forth to the marina with a couple of different coils, voltage regulators, points, etc. The distributor and timing was it's own fun. But, seeing the confusion over engine types in these models, maybe that had something to do with the issues I had with the distributor...bad info, wrong engine, wrong firing order, bad idle...list goes on.

For the rebuild, I'm starting with the fuel system; tank, lines, water seperator, carb rebuild, filter. I snugged her up nice and tight when I put her away, so I pulled the plugs, and they look brand new. I oiled each piston a few weeks ago in anticipation of trying to fire her up. I'll need a starter at least. Any good suggestions for online parts dealers?
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I would try to get your original starter rebuilt.
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So, what's the best way to determine Cleveland vs. Windsor, anyone know? I rememember JoeinNY mentioning a while back that Cleveland 351s were technically part of the Big Block Family, while Windsors are part of the Small Block Family. This would make sense why intakes might be a problem etc.

If Irydslow has the more common Windsor, then getting a starter should be no problem through Nautiqueparts, MyCorrectCraftParts etc.
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