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73SN
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Yep it looked mostly like the Palmer pictured above. It wont when I'm done tho: Photobucket pics for my first engine build I'll add some pics this weekend, been busy. Photobucket ain't the best but right click and "open link in new tab" for a better look at a pic. |
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DrCC
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Correct. So, a "Correct Craft" labeled engine could be either a Palmer or a Thermo-Electron. (in the 70's) I believe some white Escorts also were labeled CC.
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8122pbrainard
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Never to my knowledge as well. My 54 is actually a Chris marinization painted red (not Chris blue) and tagged as a Correct Craft. It's just a "private labeling". |
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DrCC
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That does show some intermingling between companies.
Cal Connell Script IH Palmer Flag-Crusder logo International Harvester Palmer Marine Flag |
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TRBenj
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There were Thermo-Electron Conqueror Crusaders, right? Not sure if thats consistent with what you just said or not.
Here's what Im calling a Palmer... note the same thermostat housing and "Model 220" decals. I had thought that both Palmer and Conquerer Crusader were Thermo Electrons. |
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DrCC
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Sounds like he has a Thermo-Electron.
There were two separate companies using the same name "Crusader". 1. The International Harvester/Palmer Marine/Thremo-Electron/Crusader. 2. The Cal Connell Cadillac Marine/Conqueror-Crusader. |
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TRBenj
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Correct Craft has never marinized their own engines. At least not on the 60's and newer boats (someone else more knowledgable can speak to the older ones). They now get their engines from Pleasurecraft Marine (PCM). They used to get engines from Commander, Chrysler, Interceptor, OMC, etc. Conquerer/Crusaders and Palmers were closely related in the early 70's, as they were owned by Thermo Electron at the time (Dr CC will correct me if I goof that up again).
Marinization companies usually design and install their own cooling, ignition and exhaust systems, as well as the brackets used to mount accessories. They generally include the transmission as part of the powertrain package as well. Most of these items (thermostat housings, brackets, exhaust manifolds) were unique between the different companies. It sounds like you have a Palmer, but a picture would confirm. |
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73SN
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hmmmm, painted that way by a pro? That would've never occured to me. you can see the original Ford blue in spots they missed.
How could you tell who marinized it? I just figured it came marinized from the CC boat building place. It said Mfg. by THERMO ELECTRON ENGINE CORP Detriot, Mich on the Correct Craft sticker on the valve cover. |
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8122pbrainard
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I'm still curious as to who's marinization it is. BTW, it would be common to find almost everything painted from the marinizer. Don't assume it was a PO with a aerosol can of paint. It was common practice for them to bolt on all the marine parts and spray everything. Typically the only exception would be the carb, distributor, plugs and wires. |
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73SN
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yea, the red is from some yea-hoo with a rattle can... bolts, harnesses, hoses, tranny, everything. what a mess!
I'll have it all clean in the end. @ DrCC: I'm getting pretty good at the gaskets. seems to be better when not rushed. |
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73SN
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wow, plenty to choose from when you know what you're looking for...
THANKS again |
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Gary S
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73SN
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Go2marine has a couple: 5/8 is Drive type 7... 2" depth, .....we'll see
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TRBenj
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Since its red I'm guessing its s Palmer?
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DrCC
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Paul, In order to find an impeller for that pump, you have to ask for a Volvo impeller. They, (Volvo) still use the splined pump shaft.
It's the gaskets that have become next to impossible to find. I make my own. The alternative would be a new brass pump, which is very expensive and the pump mount base has to be altered so that you can use your same pulley. |
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73SN
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anyway I can search, I've looked and just wanted to know if this was unavailable before I wasted much more time. I read where some folks had to go with other options due to unavailability of type.
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cphase
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Do you know who built the engine? Pleasure Craft Marine(PCM), Commander?
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73SN
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Sorry, marinized? googled it and dictionary.com'd it whats that mean?
Another one for the books. its a 351 ford marine engine. I'm guessing the RWP is what came from correct craft 40 years ago. |
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cphase
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Paul look at the top of this page.
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73SN
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its a Jabsco PN:920-0103 2" - width with a spline drive. still searching
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cphase
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Yea...after seeing your pump that is not the right one. I am not sure which one is correct. Who marinized the engine?
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73SN
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Thanks Jeff. Its a bit different on the shaft, (no key)
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73SN
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cphase
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This may be the impeller you are looking for.
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73SN
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I've learned a good bit taking this beast apart... hate to look back at old posts now but thought this one would be a good one to revisit on the raw water pump. I figured it'd be a good time to replace some innerds while I had it apart. can anyone tell me about this type and where I can get an impeller? The rest looks good but the rubber is a bit dry rotted on a leg or two: (I've had it 8 years now)
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8122pbrainard
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You're cool!!! Now you know!! |
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Gary S
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Thats ok Paul,you don't learn anything if you don't ask.We just don't want to see anyone taken advantage of.
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73SN
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I'm bad about misunderstanding folks. I'm sure he meant it didnt flow from engine block thru the exhaust. He never said it didnt flow when it wasn't open. He didnt have time to fully explain it and I made some ASSumptions. Thanks all for straightening that out.
I went back today to pick up a new bilge pump and took another look at the old circulation pump. (they still had it) once again I misunderstood: the two screws do hold on the plate. I had the gaskets swapped and was confused about the relation to the extra holes in the new pump. I'll try not to rush thru things before I post next time. |
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DrCC
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And, next time you talk with your Marine mechanic, make sure you ask him if he once worked at Sears Automotive Center.
Water by-passes to cool exhaust, so that it doesn't turn a '73 SN into a pretty habitat for fish. |
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Keep it....from sinkin'
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8122pbrainard
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I agree and unless you misunderstood the mechanic, he had better go back to school!! Water flows through the engine as needed controled by the T stat and always through the exhaust manifolds. |
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