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eric lavine
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you righties should ring Clinton and get some advice
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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eric lavine
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trying to put a band-aid on a levy leak, the structure is slowly disinegrating around the hole
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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skicat2001
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It is funny to listen to some people to what people think and we need for the country. Last night, I about wanted to shoot the tv with a .50caliber when Nancy Peloski and all the leftys put the blame on us in the House.It is a repeated process. They cant seem to grasp the BIG picture here in the Senate. Blanaced budget would be ok, but with the liberals cashing checks and this outrageuous spendinng has got to be stopped. They put us here and they have had plenty of time to
fix the economy. Bottom line is I could write a long paper about this bll***************, but repbulicans want tax cuts, and cut spending over a long period of time, 5 years, they have presented 2 bills that cuts spending and will help us get out of debit over periods of time. Demi's want to spend more, they uterally stupidly do not get, QUIT SPENDING MY MONEY!! This will be the second time Obama and company have raised the debt ceiling and asked for another blank check. We cant pay our bills, and you want to borrow more money.... WHAT FKING IDIOTS!! More debit, More debit, more ***************kg debit!! All they want to cut is old peoples money, Social security, AARP, and veterns money. There just idiots, shows who head screwed on right, the House does, and Senate are just plain igonorant. I hope we can hold on till 2012 cause Obama socialist, communist ways are doing a hell of good of Breaking the CAPATALIST SYSTEM!! What communist do?? Make one collapse, and implement theres. NO MORE GOVERMENT!!! I can not wait for 2012 in November!! |
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eric lavine
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if you were put into power, what would you do?
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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TX Foilhead
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Which is why we need to turn the ship around, unfortunately it is a ship and not a CC so we can't just whip it around.
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eric lavine
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all the debt cieling is doing is pro-longing the enevitable
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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eric lavine
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you'll adapt. We went to war for oil, but didnt get any oil. you been to the grocery store lately? fcn gallon of milk was 4.59 wtf
people laughed at the thought of the y2k bug, not so many laughing with the thoughts of an economic collapse...it really is feasible that the economy could collapse, being an American we're numb to this stuff and have a look the other way attitude and it will all work out. we've discussed the subtle changes that go un-noticed but are catching up....its happening in Greece, Cleveland went into default in the 80's. you really cant say this is a conspiracy theory because it is in front of our eyes happening, like i said were numb and have a "this cant happen to us" attitude |
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TX Foilhead
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They also don't mention that Obama sounded just like the Republicans do now that last time they voted on an increase. The money spent for the war will stop at some point, there's so many other things now that won't. I wish that I had at least a 7% increase in my budget every year like they do when I said I wasn't spending anymore.
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eric lavine
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no one ever mentions the 3.7 trillion on Bushes war, im not anti-Bush, this *************** fell into Obama's lap along with the blame, we all know it was a train wreck waiting to happen
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eric lavine
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Bush and Obama went out for a steak and lobster dinner and Bush skated on the bill
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davidg
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OnOneWheel.....I am surprised you didn't include the Democrat's video of Paul Ryan rolling Grandma off the cliff in her wheel chair.
You don't give much description of who you are, or where your from in your profile, but, I suspect you are a Madison WI liberal based on one of your posts. Thats fine. Love a good debate, and its always fun/interesting to have a liberal perspective. I think you pretty much hit all the liberal talking points..... - tax the rich - the Republicans want to hurt grandma and grandpa - dems are "fighting" for a better life your children I agree whole-heartedly with you on one thing, it wasn't just the Dems that got us into this mess. The republicans are not blameless. They sure did go along with some big spending in the past. Bush is a decent man, but, he wasn't near conservative enough for me. However, the key point is, with the Tea Party Republicans being swept in back in November, the discussion is now changing to one of getting this nations debt and over-spending under control to keep the USA from becoming Greece....which is the path we are on now. Paul Ryan (Congressman from Wisconsin) had a plan to try to save all the entitlements for us, our kids and grandkids. Obama tossed him right under the bus for it. Yet, he has no plan of his own. We need a balanced budget amendment to be passed to solve this nations over-spending habit. |
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ononewheel
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Really?
It is interesting to me the above posters try to make the debt crisis the democrats fault. For the record because I am sure it will be mentioned, I am not a democrat. The debt ceiling was raised 8 times under Bush, and now, right now, is the time republicans have chosen as the time they are going to put up a fight, with the nations economy at stake. Why could we not pass a increase, and then republicans could campaign on not allowing it to happen again? I cannot understand how anybody would expect Grandma and Grandpa to pay for the nations problems by cutting Social Security, and not expecting some othe rich Corps. to pay the fair share with record profits. Unless you are one of the Koch brothers or have a bank account like them, you might be being fooled by the likes of the former republican party. Are they fighting to provide a better life for your children, or just trying to ensure the rich get richer and make sure Obama does not get reelected? By the looks of this fight they have picked, republicans don't have a chance of getting the White House. On the same issue the Bush tax cuts are set to expire and the Republicans are so busy doing nothing with the debt, have they forgotten about them? That alone will provide 4 trillion. |
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davidg
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The press may influence some, but, I have to think that most Americans know what the real score is and that the "accomplished media" is in the bag for any democrat/liberal. They sure didn't stop the landslide election last November that swept the Republicans back into control of the House.
I believe the "Debt/Deficeit Spending" will be what the 2012 election will be based on. Its very obvious Obama and the libs are only giving it lip service and have no intention of getting this situation under control. It will take another big Coservative sweep in 2012 to change the situation. |
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OverMyHead
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It is good to see the dialog but the general impression from the media is that it the debt cieling leading us into default, not the spending. Obama gets away with saying the republicans are extremeistss and need to join him in the "middle". He also gets away with saying this is Bushes problem when he has deficit spent as much in his first three years as george did in 8 (which was way to much also). Its very frustrating. I wish we could vote out our media.
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davidg
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I think we need the balanced budget amendment to be passed in this country. Until that happens, this deficiet spending won't stop. I also think that everyone should pay tax, and not just the top 50% of earners. Everybody in this country needs to have some skin in the game.
I think the only way we are ever going to see REAL change is to continue to vote in Tea Party types, and take the Senate, and White House. We made big gains in last Novembers elections, but, you can't do it in just one election. Its also very interesting and encouraging how the national discussion and focus has been on our debt and deficeit spending. Encouraging signs the country is waking up to this mess. |
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TX Foilhead
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That's why we need to keep voting more of those kind of people in. Unfortunately I can't do anymore, all the people I get to vote for see it that way as well so all I can do is to help send them back. I think a 3rd party would be a good thing, but I'd rather see a republican majority, and then do that to get rid of some of the RINO's if they can't be taken down in the primaries. If it's tried next election I think Obama gets a second term, and that just can't happen, this mess is going to be hard enough to fix as it is and both sides are responsible for it.
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OverMyHead
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It is funny how when the boat season arrives politics goes to the back burner. We have some important decisions being made on our National debt and our debt cieling. It will come as no surprise I think we have a debt problem, not an income problem. I dotn see any of the proposed solutions making a dent in this problem. I am glad the young republicans are sticking to their campain promises but the Senate and our pres have become the party of no. It is so clear to me that you can not survive a budget that relies on 40 percent of your spending being on credit. Why can democrats (and many republicans) figure this out. Historically the US govermnment has collected taxes at the rate of 19% of GDP (It does not matter the rates, that is what we collect) to me that is where the budget cap should be. I heard we currently are spending 25% of GDP and heading to 40% in the next few years. I see the situation as democrats acting like spoiled kids used to getting what they want and never considering how hard others work to provide for them. this forces republicans to be the fed up parents and finally put their foot down and just say it is going to stop. Of course the spoiled will complain vigorously when they do not get what they are used to, But complaining the loudest does not make them right, just loud.
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