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    Posted: September-20-2011 at 10:24am
Any advice on replacement surgery. I am a big chicken but decision time is Thursday. Should I do one at a time,or both?. Any other suggestions Euflexa now the doc says replacement is my last option. The pain in the right one is constant, and getting intollerable.
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Doing both at the same time sounds like a recipe for disaster.
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Kevin, what's your definition of a big chicken? If you're simply anxious about procedures but can deal well w/ pain maybe both at the same time is a better choice. Everyone will have differing opinions on this but a good orthopod will give you solid advice (pros & cons) on this choice.
       The advantages of simultaneous replacement are these: anesthesia & hospitalization once. Coming back into the hospital again for a second procedure exposes you once again to complications assoc. w/ hospitalization (infections, drug events, etc.) Likewise for the anesthesia. Coronary and neurologic events do happen w/ anesthesia. If you do ok w/ the first incidence of anesthesia you probably will w/ the second but there are no guarantees. Give me the choice of facing the risks (even though they are limited) once or twice and I'll always choose once. Also, you shouldn't be in the hospital significantly longer having both done simultaneously than just having one done.
      You probably already know this but whatever you do, do it at a center that does alot of knee replacements and is highly rated. That goes for the doc too. Choose an orthopod who specializes in and does ALOT of knees. And DO NOT hesitate to ask questions!

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I always figure doing both at the same time will keep my dumbarse from trying to get back up to speed on too aggressive at path. I figure I wouldnt have a choice if I did them both but with one good one you never know what kinda trouble I would get myself into.
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Maybe a dumb question but are BOTH failing you?
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My brother in law had to make the same decision but with his hips while in school full time. He is a leukemia survivor, but the treatments left the tops of his femurs brittle which started to break off to the point he could not walk. At first they said he was too young for the procedure, but new advances in technology made it possible for him to have it done at 20. He did both at the same time, only missed one semester of school, and was riding a bicycle 3 weeks after surgery! He still snowboards, (Burton was one of his Make-A-Wish sponsors and continues to send him gear to this day) and I had one afternoon with him this summer and almost got him up on the wakeboard.

For all the reasons Terp mentioned above and my bro's experience I would say jump in with both feet!
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Hey Keegan, do you happen to know the manufacturer of the replacements? How long ago was the surgery performed? I'm shopping "Hips" right now. The docs say I need both done, so I am starting the learning process.. I want decent parts to go in and not ones one the recall lists....

I'm glad to see he's recovering well. That's one tough SOB !!!

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Originally posted by Mojo Mojo wrote:

Hey Keegan, do you happen to know the manufacturer of the replacements? How long ago was the surgery performed? I'm shopping "Hips" right now. The docs say I need both done, so I am starting the learning process.. I want decent parts to go in and not ones one the recall lists....

I'm glad to see he's recovering well. That's one tough SOB !!!

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Dave I will look into the manufacturer for you. It was done 4 years ago at UNC-Chapel Hill.
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Originally posted by Keeganino Keeganino wrote:

For all the reasons Terp mentioned above and my bro's experience I would say jump in with both feet!


Or hobble as the case may be
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The left is in worse shape but in the last few months the pain in the right has become unbearable. The big chicken part concerns throwing away my original equipment and becoming bionic. One or two will be the doctor Or the insurance co's choice. It is a bit longer rcovery than a single but then only go through it once. Should know more Thursday.
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age?
comorbidities?
etiology?

not to get too medical, but all of these, and many more, are factors. Either way will suck and rehab will suck worse. Not having these answers, I'd probably go with one at a time. You're weakest knee is probably working your strong knee moreso than normal so fixing the weak one will probably indirectly benefit the other. Good luck either way.
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I got age (55), the original left was snowmobile jump with a rough landing ( left knee did some twisting) causing ACL, later torn Meniscus, had othroscopic 4 times over a 30 year period.
right has been a victim of favoring and snow ski ACL recently torn meniscus two operations to date. Both are loaded with arthritis.

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we use to talk about a set of new ski's, now were talking about new knees, my body hurts, getting old
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Those things work kind of like a roller cam, will he need to add zinc to his diet for proper lubrication? What is the best brand?
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Originally posted by harddock harddock wrote:

I got age (55), the original left was snowmobile jump with a rough landing ( left knee did some twisting) causing ACL, later torn Meniscus, had othroscopic 4 times over a 30 year period.
right has been a victim of favoring and snow ski ACL recently torn meniscus two operations to date. Both are loaded with arthritis.


Kevin, you figured out the etiology part. Comorbidities would be other diseases/disorders such as diabetes, coronary artery disease, peripheral vascular disease, hypertension, etc. etc. You will need a general medical clearance from your internist before the surgery. Just to ensure any medical problems you do have are under proper control. If any flags are raised during that process you may have to undergo additional testing/treatments prior to getting cleared for the knee replacement(s).

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Originally posted by Keeganino Keeganino wrote:

Originally posted by Mojo Mojo wrote:

Hey Keegan, do you happen to know the manufacturer of the replacements? How long ago was the surgery performed? I'm shopping "Hips" right now. The docs say I need both done, so I am starting the learning process.. I want decent parts to go in and not ones one the recall lists....

I'm glad to see he's recovering well. That's one tough SOB !!!

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Dave I will look into the manufacturer for you. It was done 4 years ago at UNC-Chapel Hill.


I was wrong on both counts here. It was 5 years ago and the procedure was done at Duke. Still waiting on the brand and the Doctor's name. From what my sister said, how well it works and how long it lasts has a lot to do with the Dr installing them. Will get back as soon as I get the details.
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Cool.. I'm very interested to know Keegan, so I can pass them through my doctor.. I have heard nightmare stories about bad hardware that later gets recalled.....

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Originally posted by Mojo Mojo wrote:

Cool.. I'm very interested to know Keegan, so I can pass them through my doctor.. I have heard nightmare stories about bad hardware that later gets recalled.....

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Hope to get answers by this evening. I cannot imagine having a recall on something inside my body! That is scary.
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is it a University hospital where all those hot 20 year old girl MD college students watch the procedure and stare at your junk?
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Kevin,
When I spotted the title of this thread, my first thought was it was a HW or CQ thread!!

Good luck with the procedure. My best to you and hoping it's successful.


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No just a city hospital with nurses that look like they could have played for Germany or Russia in the olympics of the 60's. The operating room was used in those old Frankenstein movies.
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ONE AT A TIME. Call my wife. She's had her left knee done twice because the domb a** Dr put the WRONG size parts in the first time. Now her Rt.knee needs to be replaced and shes scared to death. They make knee replacements in male & female now and in different sizes.
I've got significant arthritis and the ortho Dr says I've got a knee replacement in the future. For now when it gets REAL painful I get shot up and it helps for months.
Seriously my wife is a nurse and a patient and she has a lot of insite. If you would like to talk to her shoot me an e mail with your phone no and I'll give you a call after work.    
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sometimes your better off not knowing, i always wonder if you rip one on the table if they joke about and what they say.
Pete's reaction, very professional, step back and lets be adults here, it is a normal bodily funtion when gastric juice is mixed with fresh air.
Erics reaction, wtf did that guy eat lastnite, he needs to take a sht
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sometimes your better off not knowing, i always wonder if you rip one on the table if they joke about and what they say.
Pete's reaction, very professional, step back and lets be adults here, it is a normal bodily funtion when gastric juice is mixed with fresh air.
Erics reaction, wtf did that guy eat lastnite, he needs to take a sht


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Ok here'e the update, The doctor started with it might be time to do them both but I told him the left (which is more deteriorated) is fine with the Euflexa shots and the right is really the one with an issue. He sent me for a new series of xrays for the right and since it has been 6 years since the last othroscopic and the damage not he as bad compared to the left I made a case for another othroscopic. This is great because those are not that big a deal and I can put off replacements (hopefully) for a couple more years.
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Kevin,
Thats realy good news. I won't go into all my medical crap but no one, not the best doctors know you as good as YOU know YOU. The more you know about your situation the better. After all your the one who has to endure the pain.
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One thing to consider in putting it off a couple years is that you also could be putting off a better quality of life for a couple years. My wife had her left hip replaced at 38. She will need the right one done. We figured two years after the first. She is going on 6 years this winter and has a couple more left, at least. She says frequently that getting the first one done was the best thing she ever did. She rides horses, works out daily, wakesurfs, hikes, and anything else she wants to do. All were impossible to do without crippling pain prior.
I think given the choice, I would do it sooner than later. You never know when the bus is going to come.
Additionally, what if your insurance coverage changes by the time you get around to it? That would be a disaster. I think Mrs Wakeslayer's hip was like $40k.
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Originally posted by WakeSlayer WakeSlayer wrote:

One thing to consider in putting it off a couple years is that you also could be putting off a better quality of life for a couple years. My wife had her left hip replaced at 38. She will need the right one done. We figured two years after the first. She is going on 6 years this winter and has a couple more left, at least. She says frequently that getting the first one done was the best thing she ever did. She rides horses, works out daily, wakesurfs, hikes, and anything else she wants to do. All were impossible to do without crippling pain prior.
I think given the choice, I would do it sooner than later. You never know when the bus is going to come.
Additionally, what if your insurance coverage changes by the time you get around to it? That would be a disaster. I think Mrs Wakeslayer's hip was like $40k.
Good luck, whatever you do.


No doubt the insurance company dictates which procedure and when. that being said every year technology gets better and from what I've heard replacing replacements is where it gets ugly. Since I'm only 55 I should wear out a set before I go to the big slalom course in the sky.
Shots have helped but are no lomger working on the right. So like I mentioned earlier if I can get a couple more years out of OEM parts I'm goin for the othroscopic. Thanks for the replies.
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Finally after what seemed like forever (two months) I go under today. We were able to put off replacements and just going to clean up the right knee. Funny thing is the pain has been excrutiating for a couple of months and this last week while putting stuff away and wrapping up some projects it has been tolerable.
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