A $12,000 Engine Upgrade!

Hollywood wrote: Wow, that is a lot of weight. Have you been skiing? I imagine that is going to be a huge impact on how you feel on the water.

No skiing, wanna make sure we're in the clear for a hard freeze. I am excited though, can't wait. I hope I have to order a new suit!

TRBenj wrote: Probably not, I dont think theres enough of a market to justify. Ive said before that I think it would be cool if they introduced a 18-19' closed bow below the 200 in their lineup though. Strip it down and put Ski Tique graphics on it for the hardcore slalom skiers who want a no frills boat. Throw the 409 or 450 6.0L in it, add some Barefoot Nautique graphics and have a marketable barefoot boat. If the hull could throw a decent barefoot wake/table, a good slalom wake (a tick worse than the 200 would be alright), and a fast enough hull to run into the mid 50's with 400+ hp, I think that would be a pretty sweet combo. Heck, put some diamond pleated retro seats in it (front bench maybe?), a bunch of chrome, and put some Mustang graphics on it to sell it to weekend cruisers. A single hull could spawn several distinct models. But it'll probably never happen!

I think in honor of being a former and long-term sponsered skier, his retirement, and getting out of the BF buisness they should make a Ron Scarpa Icon Edition! I'm sure there is an old mold laying around that could be tweeaked a little by some engineers over beers one weekend.

Hey Scott, The channel or passage I'm refering to is when your heading towards Seneca from Morris, it would be on the righ side just after you pass a campground where there a few boats that tie up along the bank. If were talking about that one, that's the one I couldnt believe a crusier was going through, so I figured I would check it out. Maybe he is talking about a different one. You ready for the season yet?

levinmark wrote: Hey Scott, The channel or passage I'm refering to is when your heading towards Seneca from Morris, it would be on the righ side just after you pass a campground where there a few boats that tie up along the bank. If were talking about that one, that's the one I couldnt believe a crusier was going through, so I figured I would check it out. Maybe he is talking about a different one. You ready for the season yet?

I guess we're talking about the same channel. I must go through there at low tide.

Yes, ready for the season to start!

[/QUOTE] Agree,not sure what it would get on the top end w/ the right prop before it would "rev out". Can't justify the money if it's nto much. I would be happy with a 48-49mph boom boat though.[/QUOTE]

You could DIY a performance upgrade. These LS Motors are as common as white bread. Summit has all kinds of aftermarket parts for the engine, cam and lifters, heads find the combination you want I am sure you could get your ECM reprogrammed and still be way under the mark up for the 450 hp motor... But!!! No warranty! or void any warranty's you have left. http://www.summitracing.com/search/Make/CHEVROLET/Engine-Size/6-0L-364/Engine-Family/Chevy-small-block-Gen-III-IV-LS-based-engines/Year/2009/Department/Engines-Components/?Ns=Rank%7cAsc

Joe and I have worked out an agreement- he gets first dibs on blue boats, I get the red ones. Blue/white is a clean combo though! PCM hasnt published a power curve for the ZR450, but if you knew where peak power occurred, and also knew where the rev limiter was (ZR409 is 5600, IIRC) then you could prop it appropriately to maximize top speed pretty easily. Are you considering going back to a closed bow?

Jody, Ive thought about upgrading a 6.0L. Tons of parts out there! I thought that PCM had the ECM "locked" (meaning it couldnt be modified without permission and would need to be replaced entirely). I know they put a lot of development time in dialing in the a/f curves- making a streetable, reliable engine with 450hp out of 370ci is pretty incredible. It would be a pretty big project to out-do what PCM has already done with that motor.

TRBenj wrote: Are you considering going back to a closed bow?.

Leaning that way, yes. Right now legally, I am a family of 1 w/ the option to upgrade to 4 real quick. From what I hear a 200CB w/ tower and 450hp would be a real rarity.

The outboard plan is a bit extreme, if he wanted a v drive excel/barefoot a small block ford stroker could be built a heck of alot cheaper than a big outboard that would meet all of his speed goals.

Seen it done, took the ride, got the tshirt.

It must be pointed out here that a Sanger DXII is every bit the quality of Nautique. Plus has a superior wake for barefooting, decent wake for wakeboarding and a decent wake for skiing. It has AWSA approval and ABC approval. Gelcoat is rarely if ever cracked due to the low humidity in California's central valley where many boat mfgrs are located.But you don't have to take my word for it. You can just look here.

Sanger

Sanger DXII

Sanger Super Scorpion

These articles should clear up any misconceptions.

Alright alright I was just lazy

Here's a little known fact: Sanger, due to the racing heritage, has no horsepower limitations on the hulls.

I have years of experience in both a BFN and some time in a Ski and in various Sanger inboards and outboards and some Malibus, Flightcrafts, and Mastercrafts. The Mastercraft fell apart pretty quickly. I have run a BFN at 45 mph over 5 foot rollers getting the boat airborne a few times, we had to get back through a strong current running into a 20 mph wind (The Potatoe Patch). I seriously thought we were gonna die too, we all had our drysuits on ready to bail out. But the boat took the beating no problem plus it was after Siepels school put 3000 hours on the hull, during the 454 rebuild even after we warned the shop they still put the pistons in wrong and had to redo it.
   I won't ever say CC/Nautique does not build quality and after years in Sangers and taking them apart and putting them back together it is plain to me that Sanger has every bit the quality of CC. Go for a ride in a Sanger and the solidity of the hull is apparent in the ride. Don't get me wrong stuff does break or wear out with ALL boats. Any uncared for boat will rot.

We use our Sangers for barefooting, no skis in the boat except shoeskis, walk arounds, or flip turns.

The Sanger website videos have Scott Pellaton walk you through the builds to show how the quality is built in. You will rarely ever see two sangers exactly alike. They will do whatever you want(almost).

Of course, this is all opinion but it is based on firsthand use and close inspection and observation including input from a Marine repair shop (Topside Marine).

I don't know anyone that has a Sanger that does not love it.
If you get a Sanger you won't be disappointed.    

I know it's harder to find the boats in the east/south to test drive. Keith St.Onge, after skiing my old boat (377 Super Scorp DXII), bought one that he had in Florida. Mike Frankenbush, Robert Tuerzenbacher(sp?) each have Sangers they use at their barefoot schools(Roberts might be for sale). Although KSO has 3 outboard Sangers now. Sanger does have the best wake out there if you're going to do barefoot wake slalom and want to ski tournaments.

That article in waterskimag showed the SS was a 3500 upcharge, what I heard was it was a 10k upcharge from the base motor.

Won't be getting the 200, leaning now towards the DXII.

The engine 6.0L