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SN206
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Posted: December-05-2011 at 1:12am |
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Entertaining the idea of a new SN200. Asked about the new PCM XS550 for the direct-drive config. Just about $hit myself when the local dealer told me it was a 12,000 dollar upgrade! I'm sure someone will by it, but my 409 sounds pretty good right now. Guess Jody was right about cubic inches and cubic dollars!
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MIskier
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That's nothing the tdi that MC had for a few years was a 30k upcharge over the standard 5.7
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My understanding is you can only get that engine in the 230, did your dealer tell you they could get the 550 in a 200??
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yes.
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TX Foilhead
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What about the new ZR 450?
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TRBenj
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Im guessing that he was confusing the 450 and 550. The 550 is a bigger upgrade than $12k (almost by a factor of 2) and is not available in anything but the 230. Thats direct from the mouth of PCM.
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TX Foilhead
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I thought it was a bigger $ figure as well, but don't see why the ZR 450 should be that much of an upgrade. I thought it was just a slightly tuned ZR 409.
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Bri892001
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Can you still get the 409 in the Nautique 200?
Nautiques.com 200 makes it look like you only have the option of the 343 and the 450. So, I don't know if that's a range or just the only two options. Interestingly, I noticed that Sport 200 only offers you the 343 and the 409... no 450. As long as I've followed Nautique, it seems like they've always been a little funny about publishing engine info. Even there boat builder tool only lets you mess with colors and stuff, not your engine options. Most car/truck sites the engine options are right on the surface. |
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TRBenj
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Yes, you can get the 409 in the 200dd. I believe youre correct that the 409 is the top offering on the 200 Sport. The upgrade from the 409 to the 450 is not insignificant- I think list is somewhere around $5-6k... consistent with the $12k total cost to upgrade over the 343. |
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weight watchers is cheaper
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SN206
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Agree, but the 200 is a slower hull. |
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JoeinNY
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Yeah about 6k list to a 409, another 6k list to a 450 depending on stuff. Can't get the 450 in a vdrive at this point cause it would porpoise at speed and that is not considered acceptable nautique ride quality. Price of a 550 if you have to ask you can't afford it. These are not increases out of line with what you would expect relative to the cost of the boat. What is a measly ten percent of the cost of the package amongst friends.. .
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Was told today the 450hp would take a 200 out of AWSA consideration. I guess that is somthing to think about as far as resale or trade one day down the road
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TRBenj
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Who told you that? The 200 with the ZR450 is shown on USA Waterski's list of Approved Tournament Towboats for 2012: 2012 Approved Towboats |
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Power Power Power !!!!
Come see Go Go The gorilla hit the Jump ramp at 95 mph behing the new "Nautiques 200" Powered by the Supercharged XS 550 Yeah !!! |
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Interesting. Thank you for that info. |
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The goal here is a 50+ boat and a upper 40's boom boat. I have entertained the idea of a DXII, but can't imagine the quality being close to a CC / Nautique. The AWSA qualification was told to me by a men's open slalom skier(anonymous) and versed in Nautique. I have however, taken HW's advice and have dropped 36lbs since January. Guess the thought of more horses and a one off 200 has me reeling. My luck though, Nautique will roll out a committed BF boat as soon as I decide to pull the trigger.
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What? No more ranch dressing on potato chips.
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SN206
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LOL! No, we're talking having to eat absolutely nothing that tastes good. The worst is your mouth watering every time a beer commercial comes on! The goal is to loose 60lbs before April 9th. |
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Hollywood
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Wow, that is a lot of weight. Have you been skiing? I imagine that is going to be a huge impact on how you feel on the water.
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Fl Inboards
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Ryan very good goal, good luck to you.
I can say having lost only 20 pounds I feel better and lighter on the ski already. I too am looking for another 15-20 pounds by the First of May. The Big 450 hp motor is a cool option I have driven a 200 equipped with one but other then (again) the cool factor I cant see having one for my own purposes. The standard 409 six liter is a fantastic package as it is. |
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Ryan and Jody.... Great job guys! That's not an easy feat so congrats to both of you!
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81nautique
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Sounds like everyone's getting serious about skiing this year, I'm down 18 lbs since Jan 1 and regretting selling my size large barefoot suit now. Never thought I'd get into it again, LOL. Also with the help of a CCfan picked up a used Slalom course so I'm determined to have fun even if it kills me!!!
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levinmark
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Alan, that pretty sweet to have picked up a course, just curious, where are you going to put the course at? You guys have a lake around where you live?
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81nautique
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Mark, Unfortunately I don't think we can drop it in the river unless we find some place out of the way of barge traffic. There is one area behind one of the islands south of rt47 I'm going to check out but I'm afraid of water depth. I've seen boarders go through there a few times but I've never checked it out myself. Otherwise I was going to set it up early mornings at Lake Clinton. It's a portable Insta Slalom so if there's anyplace near you to use it we'll be there in a heartbeat. |
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mdvalant
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Will Nautique ever make a dedicated Barefoot boat? What would be the best thing to make if they did? smaller, narrower inboard? little quick outboard? Another BFN? I guess the markets too small for a full hull change when you can just put a 409 in a ski huh?
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TRBenj
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Probably not, I dont think theres enough of a market to justify. Ive said before that I think it would be cool if they introduced a 18-19' closed bow below the 200 in their lineup though. Strip it down and put Ski Tique graphics on it for the hardcore slalom skiers who want a no frills boat. Throw the 409 or 450 6.0L in it, add some Barefoot Nautique graphics and have a marketable barefoot boat. If the hull could throw a decent barefoot wake/table, a good slalom wake (a tick worse than the 200 would be alright), and a fast enough hull to run into the mid 50's with 400+ hp, I think that would be a pretty sweet combo. Heck, put some diamond pleated retro seats in it (front bench maybe?), a bunch of chrome, and put some Mustang graphics on it to sell it to weekend cruisers. A single hull could spawn several distinct models.
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Yep, old barefoot boats die hard. Even the DXII is just an old ski hull.
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^^^ all of this I love. That'd be righteous. |
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levinmark
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Alan, I know exactly where you are talking about on the river, I've seen numerous boats go through that passage and I was always nervous due to not knowing the depth also. Then last fall we saw a big cruiser just passing through it slowly. After that we made a pass through and the depth was pretty much a consistant 12' till you made it back to the channel where it went back to the 15'ish. That place would be pretty ideal for a course. I'll be in touch as the weather turns for the better.
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