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63 Skier
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Posted: December-10-2011 at 2:18am |
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An adjustable works but an open end that fits is even better. With the long square sides you can put a lot of torque on either to break them free. If you need a socket to get at it I'm pretty sure you can still buy a single 8 pt. socket just to fit that size.
I have the square head velvet dipstick. I don't over-tighten it and it removes easily with a large adjustable. |
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8122pbrainard
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Tim, You're cool with the hex heads due to the age of your boat! However, probably not with the stainless. The square heads were being phased out I'd say in the late 50's. My Atom has squares. A hex head lag is one of the items looked for when judging under ACBS guidlines. Using hex heads will cost a point deduction. |
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Pete, I think you've taken the "Keep it original" statement up a notch. I think I'd sacrifice a litte original and put in a hex head stainless bolt. On the issue of what tool to use on a square bolt I say use a open end wrench to break it loose then once it's not so tight use a 12 point. If you use a socket first then yes, you risk rounding off the corners then you'll be locked into using a open end or worse a Cresent. If you got 8 points then they'll be better and if you are looking to get a set of tools for the boat then try a Pawn Shop. Sometimes you get lucky and pick up a nice set of tools really cheap. |
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Riley
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I guess we'll re use the square heads to keep it original! Gary, no farm boy here, I thought those square heads were left over from the 19th century along with rough cut nails.
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8122pbrainard
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Bruce, Gary may have gotten that 8 point out of his work truck! Take a look at al the bolts on a utility pole sometime and I think you will find plenty of square heads!! BTW, square head lags made of silicon bronze were the standard at one time in quality built boats. They are real hard to find!! I need some for my launch restoration and it's a problem. Even square head hot dip galvanized are hard to find - I may have to look in the bins in Gary's truck!! The hot dip would be an alternate. |
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Gary S
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I do! but I just use an adjustable on it. I was just playing with the macro setting on my camera per that post from the other day |
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Gary S
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I guess by being in Maine Bruce you aint no farm boy Back in the old days you would seem to run across square nuts and bolts on farm equiptment for some reason.You used to be able to buy single ones at Sears,for your use you only really need the one size. |
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john b
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OK, I admit it, I am having fun busting on you guys too.
In all seriousness I have examined the bolt holes and there is no evidence of epoxy or filler. The thread impressions in the wood are clean and undamaged, with no evidence of epoxy. The wood shows no sign of rotting. I used a small bearing puller to gently scratch the wood threads to be sure that they weren't filled with epoxy and redrilled. I came out with a clean sliver of wood. I will do more exploration, but at this point it looks very good. The foam I core sampled was from the area between the primary and secondary stringers just forward of the exhaust hose, and the area between the secondary stringer and the side of the boat just forward of the gas tank pad. While not the ideal areas, they can be checked easily without removing the floor pan. These areas in my 69 Mustang were totally saturated and would splash if struck or pried. The foam in front of the exhaust hoses is discolored by bilge fluids and dirt, but is dry. I will know more later when I get into it further and core sample the sides of the stringers should I decide to remove the foam. At this point I am tempted to leave the foam in it since it is original and appears good. Here is a photo of one of the bolt holes. It was hard to photograph and tit appears white in the photo, but that is due to the intensity of the light I used to illuminate the hole. It'sreal color is a yellowish brown. It is good entertainment to throw a few barbs back. |
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1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox"
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john b
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Don't worry, your statement is evidence that you didn't miss it at all. |
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DrCC
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Doesn't anyone have square headed Velvet Dipsticks?
And dang Gary that 8-point socket is HUGE!!! Measures 2 1/2 inches on my monitor! |
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Gary, Those are perfect, but they look like they are only useful for square heads? The only square heads I've ever encountered have been on these old boat's engine mounts. I guess they wouldn't be the first very occational use tool I've bought since getting boat crazy.
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Dang, missed being clueless by 13 minutes!
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john b
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Looks,very similar to mine. Funny, the same person must have worked on both of my Mustangs since they both have the same length hex head bolts. |
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john b
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I pretty much agree that none of you have a clue!
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Gary S
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Here you go Bruce,here is what they look like.I snagged a whole set from my father in law's tools. By the way my boat has a square head and a hex head in each motor mount,same length and size and no washers but I know my motor was out before I got it.
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Riley
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I think I have 12 points and they round the corners of the bolts that are hard to break free. 8 points? More tools to buy!
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8122pbrainard
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Actually they make a 8 point for Sq. heads. |
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8122pbrainard
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I agree that they have been replaced and by the length, the PO was looking for something to grab onto. |
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vondy
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I was amazed at the lack of rot in mine. The bolts were definitely loose and there was a lot of rot at the top of the stringers but they were still securely attached to the hull of the boat. After all those years of wet foam and the P.O. leaving it out in the elements uncovered, I figured it would have just all been mush, but it wasn't.
If the factory job held up that well for 42 years, mine should last forever Hopefully. |
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also john note the washer marks where the old square heads were
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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peter1234
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I would say those are stainless also and def not orignal, my skylark had pretty solid wood where the motor is and very good to the rear but the front under the seats the wood was almost nonexistent ..I hope yours is better.
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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Larry, I can vouge for the urban legend. Actually saw it in person. Was at the ramp helping a guy. He could not get his boat off the trailer. Checked for tie down straps, bow straps etc. Could not figure it out until he tells me that he just recently installed new seats...and nailed them right through the floor, hull and onto the trailer. Use long enough nails there Butch? |
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12 point socket ?
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Riley
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Good point Alan! I didn't even notice that. Stupid question, but what is the best kind of tool for a square head?
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Bruce notice the square drive head as opposed to the hex head, yours is original John's is not and from here John's looks like it could be stainless. I don't think they used stainless back in 70 because most bolts I've seen come out are about 1/2 the diameter they were when they went in.
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Riley
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They aren't all rotted. That bolt does look really good for 41 years old. Here's one I pulled out of the 66 Barracuda last week which looks darn good to me.
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LMAO |
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