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kapla
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Not the cable... The tilt linkage assy broke into piece and left me w/o steering..
It was at the gas station close to the marina, so i was able to return with a little contrl it still had. Now it look like i will need to change everything including cable. Any recomendations on where to find the same morse or is it better to recle with another system? |
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Bri892001
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Hi Kap,
There are a few options here: http://www.nautiqueparts.com/steering.aspx You just have to make sure your steering matches your cable. If you are updating both, I think you have the option of going original or moving to a newer style. |
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www.ebasicpower.com Look at the web site "maybe" I can
help with shipping, E Basic is just down the road from work. I've got a bunch of stuff from them over the years. |
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kapla
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some pictures of the broken parts...
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Bri892001
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Did (do) you have a tilt setup?
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kapla
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yup
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kapla
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and would be willing to replace it with tilt again...can´t go to a fixed system
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Bri892001
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It's a little confusing to decipher. I can't totally figure out which exact part from the steering page you need.
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kapla
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I think the tilt assy, but needs to match the helm, which i don´t know if its universal meaning it fits both tilt and non tilt or has to be specific...
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Bri892001
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Sure it's not this thing?:
http://www.nautiqueparts.com/steeringheadandbootfor1991-1992tiltwheelsystems.aspx What makes it tougher is that they were apparently changing setups right around that time. It looks like if it is in fact the tilt assembly, and you replace it, you'll have to replace the cable as well, to go with the newer assembly. Looks like the sell both the original style and newer style cable, but only the newer style helm. So, new helm, would mean new cable too. Take a close look at your cable end, and see what you've got: |
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Bri892001
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Or you might have this, which maybe you do for a 92. Ooof, it's a complicated year.
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kapla
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yep its that last one...
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kapla
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anyhow I was planing on replacing the cable, as far as I know its the original one
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GlassSeeker
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I think you'd be better off to swap it out to rack and pinon instead of the rotary. I'll bet your cable is worn out too, was it hard to steer? or could you steer with one finger?
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pull it out and take a pic, i have one in my garage and i will look at it tommorow, its from a 92
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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kapla
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Yes it was hard
Plan was to replace the cable anyway. Will see whats needed upon dissasemble |
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I´m yet to put my hands on the boat and start to take everything appart, still not sure waht to do.
tomorrow most likely i will go. Question: the column on the 90´s has a tapered or splined shaft? |
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kapla
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seeing the pictures looks like I need to replace the helm, as is appears that the shaft end that connects to the column is broken also you can see it in the last picture i posted
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TRBenj
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Correct Craft changed steering systems every year or 2 in the early-mid 90's. Im guessing theres a reason for that. You may want to call Jody and see what he would recommend. A full up replacement may be the best course of action, as opposed to buying an oddball cable or helm.
To answer your question, CC used the same steering wheel from ~1985-1994... so I would be surprised if you dont have the standard 3/4" tapered shaft. |
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depending on the condition of the helm, my idea is to replace everything (helm, column, cable) so if I´m there I was wondering if better change to a rack system of keep the rotary...
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GlassSeeker
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Somebody else must have had this problem and upgraded the system.
I bet there's alot of guys driving these with stiff steering/worn out cables. When theres alot of effort to turn the wheel somethings gotta give sooner or later. It's about $400 to swap out everything to a rack system 3/4 taper, you should be able to use your old steering wheel. Do like Tim said and check with Jody to see what people are swapping to. I upgraded my 90 Sanger and we are going to do Roy's too since his cable is worn out. He realized this after driving mine which is effortless to steer. He wants his wife to be able to drive. Sanger had a cable that is no longer made so when the cable wears out we have to replace everything. I used CP Performance and Dana Marine Products to get a helm/tilt, cable and rack. I can get part numbers. if you need them. |
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Bri892001
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Is keeping the rotary an option? You'd have to get a rotary helm from somewhere. What are all the components involved, I think I have most of it, but some of the parts listed on Nautiqueparts were confusing me a little. I'll start with the easy stuff: 1.) Rudder 2.) Steering Wheel 3.) Helm: Is there just one part here? Or a separate tilt mechanism and helm/pinion deal? 4.) Cable, has to be matched with the helm 6.) Does the Steering Clamp Block Mount need to be changed out as well when going from Rotary to Rack & Pinion, or can it be re-used? |
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He won't need a rudder, won't need a steering wheel(might need a $20 adapter) won't need steering block mount.
will need helm, tilt, cable/rack. Is the current helm round where it contacts the dashboard? If yes-it may work/blend so well that no one will ever be able to tell its been changed except for the smooth as butter steering. |
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I´ll be at the boat tomorrow taking apart everything. I will try to pull the cable also, any trick on doing this?
Is it possible to remove it with the gas tank in place or needs to be removed for better access? mine is full so that would be a pia! I was looking at the uflex kits either fixed or tilt, and they are available locally, but don´t know quality wise how they compare to a morse or a teleflex.... |
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kapla
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andy yes it has a round hole and a couple of bolts around, then the rubber boot that covers everything...
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Bri892001
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Kap, if you pull the cable, and don't have a new one yet, try to attach a line or something to the end as you pull it out. That way, you don't lose your "path" for putting the new one in. Not sure on the tank, you might need to remove your back seat though.
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I used the teleflex stuff, it has gone up a bit in price since I did mine. Looks like part numbers have changed too. I used SH91500P tilt, SH91610P Helm-tilt, SSC134-20 cable. I had to get a hub adapter for $20 and a new steering wheel because the sanger wheel was 3 bolt designed for the "Rideguide" steering system they used back then.
You could probably use any brand available to you just get the rack style. Although I don't know how they compare quality wise. Generally rotary is not as good as rack. You can see on skidim that the later Nautiques all used rack systems. I don't think you'll need to pull the tank, but if you pull out the backseat,doghouse and the center floor board to open up the area over the rudder/steering block mount it will be easy to access. pay some attention to where the cable is clamped to the steering block mount. you will want to be sure when you put the new one in that you have full swing of the rudder to both left and right. The hardest part is probably taking that interior stuff out- And if you can remove drivers seat its way easier to get under the dash the job will be much easier and worth the time to pull the seat. The best part is once you do this your boat will drive like new. A little girl could drive it. I can't believe there is not a "how to swap out steering" thread on here???? ---I didn't search for one though. |
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I'm not sure why but a lot of guys are in denial about their steering being worn out, it just gradually gets stiffer and stiffer til something breaks and so people drive boats with worn out steering way past when it should be replaced.
They always want to grease the cable and search for zerk fittings when its simply a worn out cable and time to replace, the cables are not greaseable. |
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Heres the proof of the little girl can steer it.
She thought she was gonna die! LOL Here is her mom, I'm teaching them both how to foot. |
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