Wisconsin Re-call Elections Next Tuesday

Better bone up on your facts on the state of Wisconsin pension fund.


Sheesh. Don't let facts stand in your way.

So?????? Lets just double there salaries then if they are inconsequential. Every dollar counts, and they are OUR dollars. I agonize over my families budget, I just want a government that has the same respect for the money they spend.

John, I have made choices that made sense at the time but did not provide well for my retirement, You always think times are tough now but I will make it up later. I am currently 50 and have five and seven year old daughters to put through school. Good thing I like to work. The point is that the unions playing Robin Hood to give to government workers are in many cases stealing from the poor to give to the rich. Exactly what have the teachers been offered that was taken from them? They have been payed in full for all their past contracts, but that is no guarantee of what a future contract must be. Things change, the economy has tanked, and private sector employees who pay for the government employees have suffered greatly. To think government is immune is selfish. What happened to sharing the burden like I here the left talk about all the time?

Maybe if they worked 12 months out of the year like the rest of us instead of 9 they would have less to complain about. By the way the starting teachers working 9 moths a year are making about what I make in 12, and they get to retire at 50 vs. me maybe never. Did someone force them to go into teaching when they really wanted to be a rich wall street person? We all make our choices.

Boy those union workers wouldnt like it in these "Right to work states".

It will probably have to go to the Supreme Court.

I like your name for the Wisconsin unions....Blood suckers

Damned liberal activist judge anyway.

8122pbrainard wrote: [QUOTE=john b] Careful Pete, I don't think 78K would support your Delta equipped workshop and at least two homes we know of. I also wonder what you think a person with a masters and 15 years experience, living in one of the highest cost of living cities should be paid. I'm just sayin.

John,
If you are referring to where I live (Northfield), then there's one important thing about the village you may not know and should. It's almost divided into two sections. North and south of Willow road is sort of the dividing line between the "high and low rent" area. I always got a kick out of my wife and myself meeting other parents way back when my kids were at school. The inevitable question would always pop up and that's where we lived. IE: north or south of Willow!! Yes, I'm south of Willow and it's considered by many of the "snobs" to be the low rent area. We have plenty of small 1000 sq. ft. homes as well as a few 6000 sq. ft homes mixed in but those are pretty scattered. North of Willow is where most of the multi million homes are. The investment was 500 max for each .

Hey Pete, the only person I know who lives in Northfield besides you, is a guy I know who lives at 578 Sunset Ridge Rd. It's a nice house. You may see the guy drive around town from time to time in his antique military Jeep.

OverMyHead wrote: ononewheel wrote: Cause and effect? In this case, Wisconsin teachers, I think we both know what is what, and what caused wages to decline. Non-competitive union wages are equal to an unlivable wage in my opinion. We all have reasons to thank unions, and a livable wage is just one of them. When did wages ever decline for Wisconsin teachers? The rest of the world has to compensate for changes in the economy. People take concessions wage freezes, lay offs all based on the economy. Do you honestly believe government workers should be immune from the forces that those paying their wages are subject to?

I don't think people with incomes of $1,000,000 or more should be immune. They should pay their fair share too, not less than 15%.
And Pete, I don't belittle you for what you have. I love to follow the threads and look at the equipment and boats you have shared with us.
One other point, the money always stays with the wealthy privileged few. How would you like to buy that 300 acres today?
I am glad you own it, I suspect you are a good steward.

Well, its happened. Credit rating firm, Egen-Jones, has downgraded US debt because of the Obama administration's latest effort to pump money into the economy. Good article below.

Thank you liberal policies!



US Debt Downgraded

Cause and effect?

In this case, Wisconsin teachers, I think we both know what is what, and what caused wages to decline.

Non-competitive union wages are equal to an unlivable wage in my opinion.

We all have reasons to thank unions, and a livable wage is just one of them.

davidg wrote: Would love to see the left wing rag you pasted this article from. These are sure not your words. Not even sure what this gobbledy-gook means. There will obviously never be any convincing you that Walker's reforms are working. Oh well, just sit back and enjoy them anyway. You don't have to like them even though you and your family greatly benefit from them. Maybe the reforms will put a little more money in your pocket to go gamble with. I just wish we had somebody like Walker to screw up our economy in Illinois like he has in Wisconsin.

Seriously?

You cannot understand that?
Are you the same guy that didn't know what the "Patch to Prosperity" was, while claiming Ryan was the best thing ever?
Or is that just your way of discrediting something you cannot any other way?


I cannot enjoy the reforms like you want. See I've got two children from a previous marriage, (100% placement and custody), who attend school.
See this year they have 32 kids in the class. Teacher cannot help all, so that is what I have to do, teach my child multiplication because the teacher was probably overwhelmed, and the day is only so long.


You really think any tax savings here, will benefit the middle class? No those savings are going directly to the top. I know they are, just Google Walkers first few bits of legislation. He had to pay for that somehow. Now I have to do multiplication to make up for it.

   

davidg wrote: ononewheel wrote:     The rise in the influence of corporate lobbying and spending organizations such as Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce shifted the priorities of state and federal government towards serving corporations at the expense of citizens. The financial community has been utterly deregulated; liability and accountability rules protecting working people, the public and our natural resources have been obliterated; enhancing executive compensation, shareholder profits and transferring government resources from the middle class and the poor to the wealthiest and their corporations has become the moral compass guiding economic policy. The result has been the collapse of the American economy. And that’s not enough for WMC and it allies, which continues to push these same failed policies. Understanding more about the vast components which comprise the WMC operation sheds insight on its reach and its influence. WMC couches its right wing agenda in an accessible, common sense language which belies it central mission: deploying the power and resources of government to further the corporate agenda. On issue after issue, WMC is on the wrong side for Wisconsin families: from taxes to education to health care to jobs to the environment. The cost of WMC’s agenda is enormous. This agenda includes bills supported by WMC that would give taxpayer financed handouts to corporate interests, shift the tax burden away from corporations, or give tax breaks to the wealthy. It also includes each bill WMC opposed that would have increased payments from Wisconsin’s corporations for the services they so willingly use but are so reluctant to finance. Since 2001, the potential cost of WMC’s agenda to the state treasury topped $10 billion – a cost of $1,800 for every man, woman and child in Wisconsin. Monetary costs are one part. WMC also spends money lobbying and advertising against common sense, quality-of-life legislation that would make Wisconsin an even better place to live and work. Would love to see the left wing rag you pasted this article from. These are sure not your words. Not even sure what this gobbledy-gook means. There will obviously never be any convincing you that Walker's reforms are working. Oh well, just sit back and enjoy them anyway. You don't have to like them even though you and your family greatly benefit from them. Maybe the reforms will put a little more money in your pocket to go gamble with. I just wish we had somebody like Walker to screw up our economy in Illinois like he has in Wisconsin.

That little bit of plagiarism would be the about section of the WMC website. Should have at least been in quotes.

ononewheel wrote:     The rise in the influence of corporate lobbying and spending organizations such as Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce shifted the priorities of state and federal government towards serving corporations at the expense of citizens. The financial community has been utterly deregulated; liability and accountability rules protecting working people, the public and our natural resources have been obliterated; enhancing executive compensation, shareholder profits and transferring government resources from the middle class and the poor to the wealthiest and their corporations has become the moral compass guiding economic policy. The result has been the collapse of the American economy. And that’s not enough for WMC and it allies, which continues to push these same failed policies. Understanding more about the vast components which comprise the WMC operation sheds insight on its reach and its influence. WMC couches its right wing agenda in an accessible, common sense language which belies it central mission: deploying the power and resources of government to further the corporate agenda. On issue after issue, WMC is on the wrong side for Wisconsin families: from taxes to education to health care to jobs to the environment. The cost of WMC’s agenda is enormous. This agenda includes bills supported by WMC that would give taxpayer financed handouts to corporate interests, shift the tax burden away from corporations, or give tax breaks to the wealthy. It also includes each bill WMC opposed that would have increased payments from Wisconsin’s corporations for the services they so willingly use but are so reluctant to finance. Since 2001, the potential cost of WMC’s agenda to the state treasury topped $10 billion – a cost of $1,800 for every man, woman and child in Wisconsin. Monetary costs are one part. WMC also spends money lobbying and advertising against common sense, quality-of-life legislation that would make Wisconsin an even better place to live and work.

Would love to see the left wing rag you pasted this article from. These are sure not your words. Not even sure what this gobbledy-gook means.

There will obviously never be any convincing you that Walker's reforms are working. Oh well, just sit back and enjoy them anyway. You don't have to like them even though you and your family greatly benefit from them. Maybe the reforms will put a little more money in your pocket to go gamble with.

I just wish we had somebody like Walker to screw up our economy in Illinois like he has in Wisconsin.

davidg wrote: Here are plenty more facts for the doubters about Wisconsin reforms. Wisconsin Manufacturer’s and Commerce Survey •The Tax Foundation in collaboration with KPMG LLP recently released a new report, Location Matters: A Comparative Analysis of State Tax Costs on Business. The new study rated Wisconsin as one of the top five states for new businesses. The study was based on tax laws that were in effect as of April 1, 2011. When additional pro-job policies are factored into the study in the future, it’s anticipated that Wisconsin will improve even further in the rankings. •The Philadelphia Federal Reserve Bank released an economic growth forecast on March 20 that        forecasts Wisconsin to grow 1.95 percent over the next six months, which is the best economic forecast for the state since 2003 and Wisconsin experienced the most improved forecast in the nation. •According to an April 2012 article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: Wisconsin has dramatically improved its ability to incubate businesses, moving up to 29th among all states from 43rd in 2010, according to an annual competitiveness measure released by the Beacon Hill Institute at Suffolk University in Boston. A full copy of the article can be accessed at: http://www.jsonline.com/business/state-moves-up-in-rankings-of-business-incubation-id4ujg0-146830345.html 17 more fun facts for the non-believers on the success of Wisconsin's reforms

Another case of the right forming a group with an official sounding name, designed to trick those like you whom cannot read past a name.


The rise in the influence of corporate lobbying and spending organizations such as Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce shifted the priorities of state and federal government towards serving corporations at the expense of citizens.

The financial community has been utterly deregulated; liability and accountability rules protecting working people, the public and our natural resources have been obliterated; enhancing executive compensation, shareholder profits and transferring government resources from the middle class and the poor to the wealthiest and their corporations has become the moral compass guiding economic policy.

The result has been the collapse of the American economy.

And that’s not enough for WMC and it allies, which continues to push these same failed policies. Understanding more about the vast components which comprise the WMC operation sheds insight on its reach and its influence.


WMC couches its right wing agenda in an accessible, common sense language which belies it central mission: deploying the power and resources of government to further the corporate agenda. On issue after issue, WMC is on the wrong side for Wisconsin families: from taxes to education to health care to jobs to the environment.

The cost of WMC’s agenda is enormous. This agenda includes bills supported by WMC that would give taxpayer financed handouts to corporate interests, shift the tax burden away from corporations, or give tax breaks to the wealthy.

It also includes each bill WMC opposed that would have increased payments from Wisconsin’s corporations for the services they so willingly use but are so reluctant to finance.

Since 2001, the potential cost of WMC’s agenda to the state treasury topped $10 billion – a cost of $1,800 for every man, woman and child in Wisconsin.

Monetary costs are one part. WMC also spends money lobbying and advertising against common sense, quality-of-life legislation that would make Wisconsin an even better place to live and work.







Let me make a guess, you support ALEC too?



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