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    Posted: December-02-2012 at 7:55pm
GTX.... I'm talking about the rag top GTX???? If your screen name does infact refer to the the classic Plymouth I think it does? If not disregard.
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If you care to, fill in your profile with at least your first name. It's certainly not required but most here do go by first names rather than screen names.

Welcome to CCFAN if I already have not greeted you. Get some pictures and some text submitted for a diary entry. Then, you can also create a personal avitar.


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I check mine every time I launch..........

In my mind its all relative. The stresses on the hull are different on the trailer as opposed to in water. The stresses on the hull are far different during on plane operation but you can't check alignment on plane ;) If anything I would assume a factory designed trailer would better immitate the stresses on the hull during on plane operation.
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While I agree with you two and check mine on the trailer,the PCM book I have,1988ish says to check in the water.It also tells you to check everytime you launch Must be the lawyers
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I'm with Pete. The trailers are designed to support the boat where it needs to be supported. If the alignment is changed that much by the boat being put into the water then you have more problems than shaft alignment. I have done mine twice in 600 hours on the trailer. No problems.

GTX rag top? What year?
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Eric always has stated that it's is best to do an engine to prop shaft alignment in the water. I personally don't feel there is that much difference with our small hulls. However, remember a total alignment starts at the strut and it's hard to check the strut to port alignment when the boats in the water.


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Should shaft alignment be done with the boat in the water or out of the water? I've not seen this discussed though I may have missed it?
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Originally posted by teelta teelta wrote:

Thanks Pete for encouraging me to do it myself - it really wasn't that bad!

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Thanks Pete for encouraging me to do it myself - it really wasn't that bad!
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Trey,
I'd have to say you are OK since the only issue is in reverse. When the trans is in reverse and the planetary gear set is running, some will vibrate.


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Things went pretty smooth on the lake test today. I still have a little play in my cutlass bearing which you can feel occasionally especially in reverse - that is the only time it vibrates now. It is a bit frustrating replacing everything and still having problems with the cutlass bearing. Will probably live with it for awhile if it is not too big of a deal.
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Awesome job!
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Originally posted by Airgrabber Airgrabber wrote:

Nice early Bronco. I have a 1970 with 42,000 mile on it. Love those old styles. Did you just buy that? I thought I seen that Bronco on Ebay.


Thanks. I bought it with weeds growing up through the hood and did a total frame-on restoration. I did all the work myself and even put a 5.0 EFI in. Yes, you saw it on eBay. I am trying to sell it.
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Originally posted by teelta teelta wrote:

Yea, I'll definitely go ARE - not much difference in price anyway.

I dropped the rudder. When I'm ready to put it back in can I just put it back in there or do I need to adjust (tighten) the packing nut? Should I go ahead and replace the rope in there or leave it alone?
I would but I would but I'm a little anal about using the old parts while I have it all apart.
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Nice early Bronco. I have a 1970 with 42,000 mile on it. Love those old styles. Did you just buy that? I thought I seen that Bronco on Ebay.
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Just replaced my shaft and coupling and put a new prop on. The coupling on mine was causing a vibration noise at slow idle sounded like the tranny was chattering. Realigned everything it’s like a new boat no vibration at all. Your prop definitely needs repaired. So while you got it all apart I would replace the coupler and shaft (ARE SHAFT) if you don’t want to take a chance to straighten the old one. Was well worth the time and effort. I’m going to see if I can straighten the old shaft. A guy I know can straighten axle shafts, just seeing if it can be done
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Yes, those do look like they are just in the gel. If you want, you could route them out with the Dremel to be sure.


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OK cleaned up the bilge area. Saw some tiny hairline cracks that seem surface level to me. Do you concur?


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Trey,
The prop on a boat creates a radial load on the shaft it is mounted to. The closer to that radial load you can support the shaft with a bearing the better. It's called an overhung load. A good example is a gearbox with a sprocket or sheave on it's input or output shaft. The farther out the spocket or sheave is mounted away from the box the more overhung load. Gerarbox specs even spec out the permissible OH loading.

Great job on the Bronco!


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That makes sense! No engineering background but do know something about restoration...


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Thanks for the help and for the lessons!
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Trey,
Clean up the inside of the bilge and check for cracking there. The 4" will work.


Do I push it in more to catch both retaining screws or just use the one? Does it supposed to have the 6" in there?

Keep the cutlass at the aft end. That's where the radial lods from the prop are on the shaft.

Fill in some info in your profile I as well as others would love to hear about your engineering background/ No problem if there is none but radial loads at the strut are as basic as you can get!


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Clean up the inside of the bilge and check for cracking there. The 4" will work.


Do I push it in more to catch both retaining screws or just use the one? Does it supposed to have the 6" in there?
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Trey,
Clean up the inside of the bilge and check for cracking there. The 4" will work.


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I might have installed the wrong cutlass bearing! The one I pulled out was 6". The one I got based on other posts was the BACK model from Deep Blue which is only 4". It does not even reach the 2nd retaining screw in the strut. Of course, I didn't realize the difference until I pressed the bearing into the strut!!! Did I get the wrong one for my strut?

Here is a pic of the cracks in the gelcoat (the dark lines outside the recess). I didn't see any on top in the fiberglass but it is pretty dirty - will need to clean.



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You might try to straighten your shaft - I was able to do that & it had a similar runout.

When you remount the strut, dry fit it 1st, then add sealant. I'd suggest 4200 because it is easier to remove down trhe road.

I found small cracks in the hull around the strut area (on inside) so check for those carefully. I added some glass to reinforce that area.

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Trey,
It's typical for shafting to run a thousands or two over in diameter. Your's may be worn slightly. Get the new shaft and measure it when you get it. It should run fairly close to the new cutlass bearing. Report back. I suggest the ARE shaft system. They are about the same cost and they sure are easy to R&R. Give Billy or Karen a call for the ARE. 318 386 2825

Don't worry about the 5200 bedding under the strut. It's not thick enough to make a difference in the shaft alignment to the log.

Yes, whenever you change out a prop or shaft, I suggest lapping. In fact, I even like to lap even if the prop has been on the same shaft before. You never know if the prop rebuild force changed it's tapered bore slightly. Many of the prop shops will run a tapered reamer in the bore after they pound on the prop but not all will. Even so, lap.


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I put a micrometer on the shaft where you said and it read right at an inch. Put shaft on lathe and measured run out in several spots. I got 9-12 thousandths. So I guess I'm in the marketmarket for a new shaft. I took off the strut - glad I did. It was loose. When reattaching do you put 5200 in between strut and hull? If so, how do you factor that in when doing the alignment? I also noticed some stress cracks in this area. I think it is just gelcoat and not the fiberglass. Will post pic later.

Will I need to lap the new shaft for prop?
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Trey,
Some will be taken up when it's pressed into the strut but, get the micrometer out (or vernier calipers) and measure the prop shaft where the cutlass rides.


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Got my new cutlass bearing in the mail. I slide on the shaft and it is a very loose fit. I can easily spin it on the shaft without any lube. I thought it would be snug. There is maybe a little less than 1/64 slop in it. I got the BACK model from Deep Blue. Is this normal?
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