Adirondack Marine in Lake George

Why's everyone gettin down on a guy that got excited about owning a Nautique and then finding out he has to wait? Hell...I'd have probably thrown a tire wrench through the window.

Kris said - "Z5 - welcome to the party, I'm glad you are sticking around and am excited to see what you come up with for a better boat.   Tis the season for good deals here in a couple of weeks    "

Good point, Kris. I've seen boats almost littering the road in Lake Stevens the past two weekends with For Sale signs on them. No Nautiques, yet... probably because Nautique owners want to keep their boats!

Chris, you'd look great in one of those big fur hats.

I can see why the OP would be po'd, but on the flip side I dealt with a guy a few weeks ago that had a low budget project boat for sale. He told me I could come look at it this afternoon, but he had two people coming to look at it later in the week. I asked if he would sell it to me this afternoon for his asking price if I wanted it. He said no, I'd have to wait until the other guys decided they didn't want it. I said you'd pass up sure money when you don't know if the other people will buy it? He said yeah, I already told them they could look at it. I didn't bother to look at it.

quinner wrote: On the down side, Betty is way Hotter then Wilma!!

+1 on that brother!

zone 5 wrote: Is there anyone on this forum that remembers the pre forum days of newsgroups, and RSW?

I was a legend in my own mind back on rec.boats in the late nineties.. of course back then I was known as the small sailboat and old outboard guy... things have changed: this year I didn't sail once and gave away more outboards than I started up.

Is there anyone on this forum that remembers the pre forum days of newsgroups, and RSW?

Z5, lots of good advise on here both ways. FYI a lot of these guys buy fix up sell for all sorts of reasons and that includes me. Im' sure a lot of them have been stiffed on deals here and there as that is the nature of the beast with the cheap used boat to be fix up to be a nice boat. Dealers don't want to mess with them and get rid of them fast. You have at least been told wrong, however let a little time cool you off and then use this forum (interesting craigslist finds) to tap into people looking and doing the same as you to find another boat. I think I made a wise choice by riding the knowledge of this forum and PN. Passionate people on here will lead you in the right direction and will be excited when you do buy demanding pictures the same day as the purchase. The next thing will be all the advise on what and how to do whatever it is you want done. Good luck with your next purchase and take pictures or they will think it does not exist.

quinner wrote: Had I not had a boat to sell between then and now I might just be an annoying "newbie" as opposed to a really annoying poopbah!!

Poop-bah. From an annoying newbie, that's funny

OK there cranky pants, lol, perhaps Z5 is just too old to have a full understanding of what "forums protocol" should be, heck I am 10 years younger and only learned what a "forum" was here on CCF back in 05'. Had I not had a boat to sell between then and now I might just be an annoying "newbie" as opposed to a really annoying poopbah!!

In the grand scheme of things, as stated previously, betting Z5 will find a better boat then what he was originally after, sometimes fate takes over and the end result will be better then you could have imagined!

Hopefully he sticks around and also adds his name to his profile, sounds like he certainly could share some great stories with us, if nothing else what it was like to ski with Mapple!!

Just throwing this out there--maybe the issue was the conditional "water test"? I think there's a big difference in saying I'm buying the boat on thursday vs. I'm buying it on thursday if it checks out. Sure, they should have called you, but flip the argument around--what if you drove the boat on thurs and then passed on it? Then they're out a sale on a boat that's been taking up space for awhile because the guy that showed with the money earlier is now down the road. Then they're the ones posting on here throwing you under the bus

If that really happened the way you say, then you have every right to be pi$$ed off. They should have called you and given you right to first refusal, just as Quinner said. Have you called them? What was their response?

All that aside, even though I empathize with you, it still is bad form to come on here as a new member with the sole purpose of dragging someone through the mud. That's most likely why you've met the resistance (ball busting). Stick around a while. Many here will help you find another good deal.

Bakchose wrote: I agree with everything Kris (Dreaming) has said and I couldn't have said it better. Thanks Kris. I inquired about the boat in question back in the begining of July. It was originally listed for $7,500.00 with no pictures. It was on the website all summer. If it was such a great deal it would have sold months ago. They sent me a bunch of pictures and you might have dodged a bullet. Boats that end up in that condition mostlikely don't get the basic maintenance (how old is the transmission oil). The 1996 they have listed looks to be in better shape and cheaper. Maybe if you follow Kris's advice they'll drop the price to right a wrong. Good luck. I've been screwed out of a good deal by a dealer. It pissed me off, but, a year later I found a killer deal.

I saw it with no pics as you did and wondered. I didn't start looking hard till Sept, and by then pics were up. It was a camp boat so we both know why it had the interior beat up. engine/trans was why I wanted water test to see what it did. 1000 hrs showing on the replacement gauges so guess was 1500-2000 total.

The only reason I think it sat, was because when you walk up to it and see the interior, its horrible. everything but the seat cusions need redone. The coming pads are really really bad. My wife looked at it for 2 minutes and went back and sat in the truck.

I don't see a 96. I see the 1998 ski. When I looked at the boat the first time, one of their mechanics that worked on it was there, and told me what they had done to the 2000. He told me that the 98 was REALLY rough.

zone 5 wrote: quinner wrote: Maybe I am missing something however the situation as described should not have happened dealing with a CC dealer, particularly to a customer of 15 years. If nothing else the salesman owed mystery man of unknown age a phone call and the right to first refusal. He trusted a salesman from a very reputable dealer, does not sound that ridiculous to me?? Same thing I thought. As everyone seems to think its important, I'm 58 years old. Had multiple boats for the last 20 years, including 2 Nautiques. Been to CC's plant (old one) on a private tour with Gary Meloon, had personal skiing lessons with Andy Mapple and met with the Meloons (Walt/Gary, and a owner of at the time NE Correct Craft) because they were happy with some quotes I made that they used in promo material and wanted to meet me when I was in Orlando to ski with Mapple. Bought my 2nd Nautique from a dealer now gone, in NJ, because Tom Roach at Adirondack wouldn't sell me one, because even though I came to Lake George ever year for vacation for 20 years, before I moved here, I lived in NJ, and Nautiques rules at the time were that you bought where you lived. Want any more info? Ask.

Welcome to the site!    I too agree that this is a poor way to do buisness.   While I can understand what you are saying, it is possible that said "buyer" had already been in contact with the salesman?   there may be more to the story here that you don't know.   A good deal on a boat that needs work is not necessarily hard to come buy,   I would take your case to the dealer's sales manager, share your beef with him calmly, and tell him that you are dissapointed with the way it all worked out.   Ask if he will make it right for you.   If you are realistic with how he can make it right, you may win a friend and be able to see that the heart of the dealer is to take care of their customers.   Bad deal in poor judment? Yes probably, but don't throw the dealer out the window because of the salesman's bad judgement. you've dealt with this team for 15 years, I think you owe them the opportunity to make it right.   

On another note, I am getting tired of all the newbies getting their balls busted by a certain GP... Pete, did you get some new pants recently?   They must have come from the cranky pants pile... I love your wealth of knowledge, and appreciate your advice, but could do without the axe it seems you are grinding on...       

bhectus wrote: Nothing is ever my fault, I want things for free, I am entitled. That boat was owed to me! I'm suing.

Never wanted it for free. They set the price and I agreed to it
I'm entitled to the deal that the dealer agreed to . I didn't ask for anything more, and certainly not anything less.

Bri892001 wrote: And, if you're comfortable doing interior work, White Lake has been sitting on the 97 for quite some time. Make an offer! http://www.whitelake.com/detail.asp?id=275

THANKS!!! Great link. One I hadn't seen. I appreciate the help!!!