1969 San Juan has a new home |
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ny_nautique
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Well, I could drop it in the Mohawk... I did get the registration yesterday. Although it wouldn't move under its own power. Of course I'd be tackled by DEC if I let that thing near a waterway.
Wanted to make sure I didn't have any problems with the title from Mass. $57 later and I've got stickers. Turning point - I am going to block it for now, but want to lift it soon. It is going to be fun trying to get those old rusted lifting rings out. |
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- Jeff
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ultrarunner
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I think you better FedEx them. Jeff may want to drop that in the Mohawk river this weekend! Get on it!
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turningpoint84
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How soon do you need them? I'm going to part out my 1968-69 mustang, has nice healthy lifting eyes.
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Proud 1968 mustang owner and now
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ny_nautique
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Does anyone know where I can find the lifting eyes? They are both this style:
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- Jeff
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ny_nautique
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Surfing was actually the first thing I thought of when I saw this thing in person. There really isn't any way of getting back into the boat. I'm going to have to build a swim platform and get a ladder for it.
Also, I noticed that the giant bow railing isn't there, and a somewhat close inspection makes me think it never was. There was/is foam in it. The PO Joe said everything is encased in foam. We know what that means. I've also noticed a lot of delamination that looks exactly like my 84 looked. With that said, the stringer system looks to be a bunch of 2xs with minimal (if any) notches. I sent a few PMs to some of the other SJ owners but haven't seen any responses yet. I stopped over my parents' house a few hours ago to check it out. It has been raining all day so I wanted to see how my tarps held up. Some more of the mussels have fallen off. The bases that they use to stick to the surface have hardened and have to be scraped off. I'd say I have about 85% of the mussels off but the rest is going to be a pain. I need to get it off the trailer and get underneath it. I think one more trip to the power washer is in order first. |
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- Jeff
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63 Skier
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Joe, if Jeff could afford to buy this boat he can afford to feed it fuel.
Oh, that's right, the boat was free ..... I'm still jealous! I think we all agree that, assuming no major issues with it, he's best to run what it has now for a season and see how he likes it. I think all that's needed is with a load of 8 people and gear on board the boat should roll over the top and plane in a reasonable time. |
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ultrarunner
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Jeff, do you plan to get the floor up this winter and take a look? We're these old SJ's foamed?
Im sure you're as fascinated as the rest of us to see what type of condition it's in.... Mark |
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TRBenj
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Economy, eh? Ive heard of it.
EFI... cant argue there. Big block vs. small? Are we sure that a big block propped appropriately wouldnt deliver the same economy (through reduced RPM's) as a small block? Seeing as how he's got the makings of a EFI SBC, Id stick with it... but if it were me, and I was starting from scratch, a big block would get some serious consideration. And you'd better believe it would be getting ski pylon! |
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Riley
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If I had that boat it wouldn't exceed 1000 rpms on Sebago Lake. |
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JoeinNY
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5 bucks a gallon for gas on the water is why not, having a big water crusier that you can't afford to cruise in is just plain ol annoying, big waters mean big distances to cover. Fuel injected small block is the way to be! (Unless you got diesel power money burning a hole in your pocket). |
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ultrarunner
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The '68 brochure shows 5 different engine configs. WOW, 60 gallon tank! You sure don't want to guzzle the go-juice!
With a dry-weight of 4400 lbs, sure looks like the boat was a bit underpowered in all motors except the mercruiser...even the twins only combined to get you 250hp... But then again, this was essentially just a party-barge, so the 250hp options were likely plenty... Ultra |
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Riley
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There used to be one on our lake with a 318 and it seemed to cruise along pretty well. Their intended market wasn't looking to go fast or pull skiers and footers, although it may be the original surfing boat. Correct Craft was way ahead on surfing based on the '66 brochure.
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63 Skier
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I'll volunteer to ski behind it, might get some good air over the wakes! Would be a challenge to get back into the boat. Maybe it will be the ultimate surf machine.
Joe, you're right of course, the real practical thing is to be able to cruise efficiently at 24 - 32 mph. I think it would be a blast as a coastal day cruiser, or big lake cruiser. If I had to repower it though I'd definitely go with a big block. |
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TRBenj
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Why not? With such a deep vee, I bet you could foot behind it in 3' seas! |
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JoeinNY
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That thing is pretty cool, I would get the apex running as it should be great economical power for that boat. It is not like you are going to be pulling slalom skiers or footers with the thing, if you can get the thing to cruise 30 mph at 3800 you would be doing pretty darn well. Run it down the intercoastal to florida for the winter!
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GlassSeeker
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that is definitely a Nautank
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TRBenj
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Tough to tell from the pics... might be a 13"? Doesnt look to have any extra clearance.
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ny_nautique
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Tim - I know it's hard to see - I'll get some better pics and a number - but doesn't the prop on the SJ look ridiculously small?
And yeah, "Tank" is definitely the word to describe this thing. |
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- Jeff
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TRBenj
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I think the 302's were the standard option for all the twins... probably because theyre the narrowest 8cyl. A single screw small block seems like it would be overworked in such a large boat... a buddy of mine had a 302 in a 20' Shamrock and it could be propped to come out of the hole nice, but topped out in the mid 30's. A big block would be a better option, I would think.
Still tuning props, etc on our BFN, but its running a consistent 61-62mph. |
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63 Skier
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I guess so, learn something here every day. What's top speed on your BFN these days? I looked in the diaries, there's a GT-40 powered SJ, a few 454's, one 440. There's a twin 302, and I don't think I've seen a twin powered SJ or Cuddy with anything bigger than 302's. So, there's some 300 plus HP boats on this site, would be interesting to see some top speed numbers from them, and from the twin setup. |
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phatsat67
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It's an Apex cool!! That motor screams around 5300 rpm. She been in the water for sommmeee time. Looks like you and I have the only free boats on the site!
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nautique frk
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Awesome photos !!
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TRBenj
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Unlike the flat bottomed boats, I have not found the v-hull to respond to additional weight in the back. Ours runs just as fast with 2 in front as with a back seat full. Definitely different hull dynamics! |
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63 Skier
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Well let's find out then! I get what you're saying about the v-hull, maybe instead of one person in the backseat it would need 3 people to get that bow up a bit.
Jeff, you haven't even started on it and a bunch of people are trying to talk you into putting 400 plus HP in the boat! It does have a really nice hull profile! |
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79SNbrady
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cant wait to see the SJ back on the water with a more hydrodynamically efficient hull
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TRBenj
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I disagree. The v-hulls handle speed nicely and dont do any of the scary things that the flat bottoms do, even when eclipsing the 60mph mark. No tendencies to chine lock, rudder stall, etc. They get up and teeter on the center of the hull, pretty uneventful... even when bow planted (our BFN buries the nose around 55mph and keeps pulling from there). I bet you could put some good power to that tank. |
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63 Skier
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Yikes! I'm not so sure there has ever been a 50 mph San Juan, and not so sure how it would handle at high speed, but I guess anything is worth a try. Seems like a fairly bow heavy boat that might want to bow steer suddenly at higher speeds. I'm thinking a Peninsular 6.5 diesel. Unfortunately they are very expensive. |
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Donald80SN
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You are going to have to take that free boat back because I did see a FRAM OIL FILTER on that engine.
Donald |
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hotboat
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That barge would make a great home for a 572 crate motor
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You're right Peter, the milfoil inspectors wouldn't have known what to do with that one!
To be honest, all that stuff on the hull kind of creeps me out, I think I would have had to stop at a self serve car wash and used a scraper to get most off, see if the high pressure hose would do anything. Then again I'd feel guilty plugging up their drains .... |
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