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Toeboat
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I ' m growing tired of trying to round up my few friends when it comes time to move the lift twice a year. Go for a ski in September no problem, help w lift 2 weeks later and the water is cold...weak excuse. Any clever ideas for low man power floating of lift in and out? What are you guys doing?
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Toeboat
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Mrusso94
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Get a bunch of tire inner tubes, get them underneath the fixed lateral bars or cross-members down low... bungee them in place then go down with your air hose (you'll need a compressor close by) scuba gear helps if the water is deep/cold.. Also not sure if you have neighbors with lifts or the accessibility of your shore line but if you have a few people right next to you with lifts talk to them about splitting the cost and having a crane come in.. If you can do a few lifts in one shot it can be pretty affordable and well worth it..
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Furno
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The going rate on our lake to have the hoist lifted out is $65. Well worth the money. You can leave the boat in longer with no lingering worries that you'll need to round up your friends, feed them, provide beer, and then listen to the complain about how cold the water is.
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Andy
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MI-nick
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i put in and take out my hewitt cantilever by myself every year...i disassemble it to do so...takes longer, but I can do it myself. it's definitely a PITA, but I don't need to count on other people.
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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watrski
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I'll get a pic for you tommorow morning. Tim |
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ultrarunner
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You folks hauling your lifts because of potential ice-flows? I'm in Rochester, off the lake in the bay. Lift stays in. I did pull the canopy vinyl this year, but the lift has been in the water for about 8 or 9 years....
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Furno
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The lake I'm on is part of a river system that is dam controlled, so there is a bit of a ice flow in the Spring, but the biggest issue is in early winter, after the ice is on the lake, they seem to drop the water/ice level about 3 feet. That ice will do some real damage. If they would drop the water level before it freeze, we would be able to leave the hoist in place.
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Andy
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dochockey
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Hire it done |
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tullfooter
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We make a party out of it. We have 5-6 hoists between our crew. We pick a date that works for most, make sure there is plenty of beer, and remove the lifts on that day. We move all the lifts in about an hour. We also help with any of the dock work that any of the guys need help with. Not to be chauvis....cheuvan.....sexist, but the wives usually have something warm cooking. It's actually a fun day, and usually full of jabs and laughter, especially when Tom trips over a dock post and fills his waders with water.
Threadjack; Furno, Where are you in Clarkston? I know I can get a crew together to do your hoist if you buy a round at the Union. It can be a r ound of beers , or a few orders of Mac-n-Cheese. |
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turningpoint84
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Anyone have a lift in a boathouse? Do you remove yours or leave it in?
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Hollywood
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Instead of inner tubes we use 2 rowboats under the cradle and winch it down to the frame. It is a 1 man job.
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M3Fan
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We use the inner tube technique to float them in along with a 10' or so 4X4 which is levered underneath the crossmembers to move it around as needed. Easy peasy deployment.
As for getting them OUT- forget it. 65.00/ea to have them pulled out by somebody else while I crack a beer on the couch. Our shoreline has about a 20" rise right where the water meets the shore- no thanks on any of that business nor the risk of injury. I only move them down hill. |
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JoeinNY
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Tie her up to the back of the tahoe, put it in 4 low and remove your foot from the brake is my favorite removal method.
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quinner
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My neighbor was on the same program for many years, this spring it only took 3 divers with lift bags and several boats to retrieve them from 50 ft down on the bottom of the lake. Spring ice out took his docks and lifts with it, they hung on for a while, well at least until the deep water, lol Like Hollywood mentioned, lower the lift carriage on to a couple row boats then winch the lower cross members up towards the carriage. Carriage wont go down as a result of the boats so the bottom of the lift raises up. We drag em up the beach with a FWD and some ropes. In the spring use a quad with the plow blade on and push em back in the lake to float em back out using the boat winch technique. |
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8122pbrainard
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Wheel and tow bar kits are great. Otherwise, the local water crew for about $65.00 (no canopy) is a great deal. I do it!! Since I have a abrupt shoreline (16 steps up from the dock) They put it on a work boat and take it down to a neighbors beach. Put the wheels on it and pull it up.
No, a lift in a boathouse is subject to the same damage as leaving it out on shore. |
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turningpoint84
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Thanks, I'll keep this in mind, i figure i can just lift it onto the boathouse piers with the boat hoists we still have attached if we ever get one. I know i'm going to look into purchasing one this summer. |
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8122pbrainard
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Why do you need a lift when you have hoists in the boathouse? Those things on a boat called lifting rings do have a purpose!! I store two of my boats for winter in the boathouse by setting them on beams across the wet slips. The two beams on the left are for spaning the slips. The two on the right are setting up top to spread the load out to multiple floor joists. Of course depending on what part of the country you are in, the term "boathouse" can mean different structures. Up here, a boathouse is a fully enclosed structure. I know down south, they call a roof only a "boathouse"!!! That's a joke!!! Where are you and what is your boathouse?? |
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turningpoint84
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Peter thanks for the quick response. Boathouse is located in Manitowish Waters, WI It's a big OL' 3 slipper, fits 23', 14' and a 17' boats and is full enclosed. We used to do the same exact thing, but big problem we have with our boat house is it sits on a massive footer, and in the fall they lower the lake water about 4ft, this means that footer is exposed to freezing and thawing. So according to my uncle the boat house footer lifts it's self about 12" up every winter out of the water. So the family is not a big fan of storing boats in there. Honestly though, i just can't find anyone that can give us an honest reason why we can't store the boats in there. It would be so damn nice to be able to. I've done a TON of work placing in new Footer supports, burying cement block 2' with rebar going 5-6' even furth down into the mud bed and filling with cement, just to support the massive decking. |
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Bri892001
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My neighbor used to store his CC Mustang in his boat house until he sold the boat. I actually don't know if he even had a trailer for the boat. It never left our lake until he sold it.
He pretty much built the boathouse to accommodate that particular boat. So, it was built from the ground up with strong enough joists etc. to lift it from overhead. Oddly enough, I don't think he used the lifting rings. I'm pretty sure he some kind of cradle made with heavy straps, where it would spend it's winter slumber. He didn't lift the boat regularly during the season, as the water by his boathouse was very calm. |
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Furno
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TullFooter - On the threadjack - we're just a little north of Clarkston, so we're familiar with the Union and the Mac-n-Cheese. Some of the best around. I keep my boat on Secord Lake, which is in mid-mi. (great skiing lake when it's not busy.) A little further to go and no Union.
Someone suggested pushing the hoist in with a ATV with a plow. You've got to be careful with that as well. Like some of the others, our lake is pretty steep at the edge and I've seen one or two just keep going with a little push. Most of us have the hoist cabled to something on shore. |
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Move south? or pay someone? Nothing is easy- with boating.
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8122pbrainard
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Peter,
WTH are you talking about regarding "footers"?? Is the boathouse on cribs, pilings or concrete? If the later, you had better check with the DNR since they have some pretty tough restrictions even though Walker relaxed them. I find it hard to believe that your uncle has a problem with storing boats in it. Fill me in more on his concerns. |
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turningpoint84
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It's a seperate Massize concrete footer that supports the front of the boat house. It's 3ftx75ftx apparently 4ft deep. My Uncle has no say really on storing in the boathouse, he just thinks it's unsafe because this massive footer rises up in the winter according to him. I call him out on a lot of his BS, but it's very frustrating dealing with him, plus I'm never there in the winter, my goal is to take pictures of everything when i go up this winter and see how it reacts. He tried "fixing" the boathouse about 10 years ago, charged my grandmother 100K, and the fix failed in 2 years it was crazy. The problem was the boat house was deattaching from the foundation that's up against the ground of the shore, plus a few other issues. Feel free to ask away with any more questions. I can answer them as best I can, I really would love to store my 1970 in the boathouse every year. Yes the DNR concerns me, we have one of the biggest and nicest pure boathouses on the chain and not being able to spend certain amounts to fix it is beyond crazy. O and I built some concrete pilings myself, so support the rotting floor in spots, i then replaced the floor in spots as it was sagging. I wish i could redesign the whole damn thing, Poor a solid Rebar foundation. |
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8122pbrainard
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10 years ago the DNR will be after his ass. Per them, you are only allowed to put 50% of the appraised valuation in repairs over it's lifetime!! Walker lifted that but not 10 years ago.
So, he feels he gets some frost heave when the water is lowered! What does that have to do with storing a boat? Get a permit, move the boathouse off the concrete and have some decent pilings driven. This is Charlies (brady) boathouse. He was able to get it classified as historical so he could do anything with it to bring it back to original! Sorry about the small picture. They moved it on the ice about 100'. set new pilings and moved it back. |
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turningpoint84
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HOLY great news, i had no clue that was possible, our boat house was only built in 1968(yes my Grandpa won in court to have it built right after they were outlawed) so probably a no go on the histoircal society, also IDK about moving that sucker, it's MASSIVE. Would love to look into getting a permit to move it, you know the correct avenue to go? |
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8122pbrainard
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"Massive"??? No, it's a single story 3 slip!!! Charlies is a two story 3 slip!! Why do you think it's massive? I've seen two story 4 slips moved. BTW, Charlies boathouse was on the other side of the lake at one time. They moved it across the ice with a team of horses. |
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Thanks for making me feel right at home, Peter. I see your boathouse almost every day in the summer. Maybe next summer we can get together with Andy up on Rest Lake and his red Mustang and have a Mustang parade over to the Tiki Bar.
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Toeboat
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Going rate on my lake for the guy to come in and lift it out and put it onshore is $95. I can't bring myself to do that. So what to do I have on hand? Cradle goes up powered by 4000 lb winch and tubes. I figure I need two blocks( pulleys), a couple 5' 2x6 with a trailer roller on each end to span tubes. Tie a line to frame of lift on strbrd side, run on top of 2x6 on top of tube, then back down to frame on port side thru block. Snug up and tie back off to cradle which is lowered as far as possible. Cranking cradle up then pulls tubes down and floats lift. Move to shoreline and pull it out with JD 425.
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Toeboat
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john b
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Some years ago I found the most expensive way to move a Shore Station. At the time I had one bad arm and a bad knee. I picked it up with a sling over my shoulders and my one good arm. I moved it to where I wanted it, a total of about 3'. The aftermath? The shoulder surgery to my one previously good arm was enough to buy a really nice ski boat and pay a crew to move the lift for years.
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turningpoint84
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Just Find a guy with a helicopter, simple solution. I'm kidding, but would be quite funny seeing a helicopter brought in carrying a shore station. |
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