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All I can say is:   Thank You, Thank You Quote Nazi !!!

And quoting pics ???   I'm like WTF ???

Now we need a Resizing Nazi !!!

john b wrote: Peter, I don't think you will have a Boathouse problem regardless of what they do. Yours is more or less a pocket Boathouse, so you shouldn't have the big ice issues. The DNR issues permits to excavated your boat house, and Chuck Kramer of Chucks Excavating cannot do the permitting process and the work. He excavated my friends boat house last year because the sand had moved making it shallow. Chuck is a great guy and does very nice work. You can find him some evenings at the Rustic, he is the really huge guy. Personally I think they will just decide to draw it down less than 2', but this is based on blue sky. The passage to clear is a little over 4' at full pool, so I don't see much of a problem there. I frequently go to Wild Rice Lake too and never have a problem.

My mom and chuck are on a 1st name basis, he knows me pretty well too.

Problem is our boathouse has 1 large cement footer that goes across the front. so back in the summer of 2007, when the water was really low the rudder on our 99 supra would smack against it when big waves came into the boathouse to the point of where we had to move it to the floating dock, another DNR favorite.

So we're f'd!

Ok, enough about the quotes. We get it.

Secondly, I wish they evil Wisconsin DNR would just leave our water levels the hell alone. 70+ years we have operated this way.

I don't care about the sturgeon, I don't care about wetlands that dry up in the winter, etc.

Frankly, my grandma payes a lot of money to use that chain. We expect water in the spring, and a draw down in the winter so we don't have to pull things completely in.

Again, 70+ years of the same exact thing. Without a full pool, the town would not exist and there would be no attraction to the area. That area is dependant on that chain of lakes and a full pool. Monkeying with the water levels is not an option.

If it were up to the evil Wisconsin DNR, they would have the dam removed completely and return the area to what it was over 100 years ago.

The DNR needs to stop this colossal waste of everyones time. Remember 2007?

BEFORE:


AFTER (yes, this was taken during the HEIGHT of the summer season)


Same area, same lift.

turningpoint84 wrote: Problem is our boathouse has 1 large cement footer that goes across the front. so back in the summer of 2007, when the water was really low the rudder on our 99 supra would smack against it when big waves came into the boathouse to the point of where we had to move it to the floating dock, another DNR favorite. So we're f'd!

I always would see that Supra there when we would go to Voss' in the morning for breakfast.

2007 was a disaster, and the reason I think the Wiscon DNR is more crooked than Bernie Madoff.

I have a TON of pictures of the destruction they caused in 2007.

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John, with the water where it belongs, I was able to get my boat to every lake on the chain without problem, but I *HATE* going through Fawn/Stone. Every damn time I go through there I hit something. Which wouldn't really bother me as I go slow, but the fact that I'm driving between the red/green bouys and STILL hitting things has me a bit irritated. If you're going to put up bouys, at least make sure that the area you are telling people to navigate is clear of hazards.

And as soon as I become king of the world, I'm removing all of the pointless bouys OUT of the Island Lake/Spider Lake channel. I was able to successfully navigate that channel before I was 10...so if adults can't do it now, get off my chain.

Wow, I must be angry tonight...I need a Valium

Oh yeah. It still has a nice aluminium top to it.

And that's, again, part of my beef. If you're going to tell people where to navigate, at least make sure the channel you specify is clear. If I were to actually follow the buoys from Spider into Island, I would hit the rock.

And the green one from Island to Spider can go WAYYY closer to the sand bar.

Well then there's no point to these buoys in question as even without them there really is only one path you can take.

there is more wasted space in this thread than in " I didnt build that"

P71_CrownVic wrote: Well then there's no point to these buoys in question as even without them there really is only one path you can take.

Yes, the deeper path! Once again, those red and green buoys are only aids. Your on your own navigational skills!!

P71_CrownVic wrote: john b wrote: Without another major multi year drought I doubt we will see anything like the summer of 07 again. Come on John, you know full well that our water levels were far lower than other lakes in the area in 2007. The DNR KNEW that we were dumping far too much water over the dam and yet continued to strong arm the dam operators into releasing more water than they ever should have. we had someting like 14 CFS coming into the chain and they were releasing anywhere from 50 to closer to 70 CFS.

I'm not sure they knew it. I don't believe they had any incentive to screw it up, but they had a steep learning curve after 2007. The flow is not regulated by law to 25% of what is coming into the chain, but to a minimum of 25% of the normal downstream flow. 2007 was the first year they tried with any precision to determine the flow rate and their calculations were not accurate. In addition, the drought did not help. The new electronically monitored sluice gate has been instrumental in determining what the flow actually is. Before that Bill could not put an additional board in the dam until there was a minimum flow somewhere in the neighborhood of the height of the board plus 2". That translated into about 8" of flow over the boards before installing another one. The lake didn't have enough flow in 07 to ever install all of the boards. With the new sluice gate flow can be pretty much infinitely varied. They haven't had any problems since 2007, but I have my eyes open. The chain was near high water mark all summer, and was over the target for several weeks. I hope we don't need to litigate with the DNR, but we have the Defense Fund waiting in case we do.

P71_CrownVic wrote: Honestly I think a lot of the DNRs vendetta against the Manitowish Chain is backlash because they lost against that guy on Alder lake.

Alder lake guy?

We talking about Tom Baer? I've been in his house and his boat house it's quite the sight!!!!

Not sure if you guys know, but he built his own private lake, it has a diving cliff with an aerator to break your fall, all the dirt piled up now made it so he has the highest point in the county lol.

Pretty insane he is, his all electric wood boat is another head spinning feat of his.

I have so many crazy stories about that guy, skiing on the ski team when his son was on it, we learned a ton about him.

The best story is he walked into a shop in Maniwaters, there was a picture of a guy in an early 1950's skiboat with a 50hp mercury taken in front of his house on Alder lake. So he researched for 4 years looking for everything to replicate the picture, down to the hat the guy was wearing. It's the reason why he bought the boat, just to have a picture of himself taken in the same exact spot. So he has a picture of himself riding in the boat with the same exact stance and the one taken 60 years earlier next too it framed in the boathouse.

turningpoint84 wrote: P71_CrownVic wrote: Honestly I think a lot of the DNRs vendetta against the Manitowish Chain is backlash because they lost against that guy on Alder lake. Alder lake guy? We talking about Tom Baer? I've been in his house and his boat house it's quite the sight!!!!

Yeah!!! That's him!

I couldn't remember his name. He does have a nice place...and cameras all over.

He reminds me of Howard Hughes. A guy with tons of money and does cool/odd things with it. I'd love to see his place.

The house is nice, it's very eclectic, had custom beams putin, has an antique bowling alley in the basement, but you have to replace the pins manually so it take the fun out of it.

Has 2 of these insanely cool, music box deals. It's a machine that plays 4 instruments mechanically. It's pretty insane.

The only tv in the house is in the movie theater, as for the cameras everywhere, lol, no1 watches them at least i think, we did what we wanted when we went to parties their, plus i just walked to the lake and swam in it, and climbed up the big new Mount MW.

The boat mighty have been made in germany, but the electric part was all custom done in his work shop near his new lake, remember he had guys working on it all summer back in 07 or 08.

Alder lake is quite interesting, Baer owns like 2000+ft of frontage, the government owns the beach area and probably another 1/3 of the lake, and my friends the Bartlings who own the cranberry bogs, own about a 1/3 of the lake themselves, there's really not to many small single lake homes on it, except near wild rice channel.

Yea he's my uncle, the one that "fixed" our boathouse.

I'm actually a Mcgraw through my mom, all that money over their is from My aunt who runs the shop across highway 51 from Hogan's.

turningpoint84 wrote: Yea he's my uncle, the one that "fixed" our boathouse. I'm actually a Mcgraw through my mom, all that money over their is from My aunt who runs the shop across highway 51 from Hogan's.

Ah yes, I worked for her too!

I drove George to drivers ed in St Germain many years ago.

Tom Baer! My company did the HVAC automation in his main house. I spent many weeks there when under construction and the first few months of occupancy. He has 3 air handling units and a chiller in a private residence!   Neat guy, cool boats and amazing compound.

A chiller is a central cooling unit that makes cold water.   The cold water is piped to coils much like freon woudl be, but generally on a MUCH larger scale... Pretty extravagant for a residence, not to mention EXPENSIVE!