Mission: You Wanna What? [LOL]

Went back to this thread looking for roller cam info.
Where does the project stand today???

SNobsessed wrote: Tony - Ask him if he will take pictures of the process that you can share with us.

Good Idea!!! I will ask Todd when I get started. I am sure he will.

Just got off the phone with Todd my best machinist at Terry's Machine Shop in Bridgeton,MO.

Todd basically told me what Tim and Jody said. A dyno is nice, but when you move from a controlled environment to the real world, all the numbers mean nothing.

Todd also said that the fancy multiple axis, CNC controlled boring machine is fine, but only as good as the operator. Todd is able to pay more attention to detail with his old fashion method. So even though the controls are tighter on the CNC unit and you can set it and walk away, if you push the wrong button, you end up with a very expensive boat anchor.

So it's back to using Todd at Terry's. Todd has never steered me wrong, has worked with me when I needed to, and remembers my name.

Tonali_III wrote: JoeinNY wrote: This doesnt strike you as unneccessarily harsh Pete? The guys spent a lot of time and money obtaining a data point I wouldnt mind hearing more about.. but if I was him I sure wouldnt bother sharing with that kind of reception. Thank you for taking up for me.

Tony,
I wish you had quoted the complete post so all could understand the context.

8122pbrainard wrote: PAPA wrote: Tony, I agree with you in that it shouldn't be a BFD about which way it spins. As the owner of a 1977 nautique with a stroker 392 Ford spinning lefty I am glad I didn't ask first or I may have been talked out of doing it. We switched engines back in 2009 and the smiles have been well worth it. I have driven the boat 60 mph and I can say that with the engine spinning in the 5000 RPM range it was quite uneventful. My son and I have never complained about any handling issues other than a sticky steering cable which we changed. My plan is the same as yours; replace the engine with the factory original which I have whenever we get tired of the smiling. Florida Inboards wrote: Understanding The concept of hook and rocker is not rocket science. No worse than rudder torque and how to manipulate it. Not always does hook need to be added to make ride changes a lot of times it is just a little sanding and polishing to increase rocker. It is not a black art like some would believe. Propellers and their dynamics are far more complicated yet is discussed nearly daily on this board. I trust Jody's and Tim's opinions by far more that yours. Sorry but both of them have spent more time in different boats that you have. Don't forget that Jody worked for CC and was a major contributor to hull designs. He is also a professional driver. Righty or lefty

Please understand that all the comments made to keep the engine a RH have been made for handling reasons and not originality.

It's great to hear that Woody doesn't feel a LH on that hull would be a problem.

Gary S wrote: 8122pbrainard wrote:    Currently a 1943 to 1975 is classified as a classic and eligible for judging no matter what the hull is made of.     I wonder if you'd get more participation from glass boats if they had seperate classes?

Good question. What about it, Pete?

As a fellow ACBS member, is there anything that can be done to influence the club?

JoeinNY wrote: This doesnt strike you as unneccessarily harsh Pete? The guys spent a lot of time and money obtaining a data point I wouldnt mind hearing more about.. but if I was him I sure wouldnt bother sharing with that kind of reception.

Thank you for taking up for me.

8122pbrainard wrote: [QUOTE=peter1234] Peter, Yes, we are seeing more Correct Crafts as well as other more unusual boats at shows. I think it's partially due to people getting sick of looking at Chris's!!! Currently a 1943 to 1975 is classified as a classic and eligible for judging no matter what the hull is made of. Don't forget our very own bigwavedave was awarded the ACBS most original a couple years back.

Pete,

When did Chris start making plastic boats? The earliest I have heard of was the Land 'N' Sea. Wasn't the Silver Arrow a plastic boat? When did Chris come out with it?

Pete do people bring mid sixties or up correct crafts to shows to be judged? how many have you done in the last 5 yrs or so .

8122pbrainard wrote: Tonali_III wrote: Almost forgot, Woody had one more comment, and this one is going to offend a few people. Just remember I am quoting. "As for keeping things original, some of those guys (speaking of a few here at the site) need to get over it. I'm not offended since everyone has a right to their own opinion. I will however pass the word out to the ACBS judges to watch out. Hopefully he won't bring a classic Correct Craft to a judged show. The Sunnyland Mt. Dora show comes to mind. BYW, if it's not available, you have it made. Many have gone that route.

I get it. I have seen a few hand made parts on a few '49 Ford V8 Police Car engines. I learned that the Police Engine was a little different.

Hey, Pete. I am not trying to perpetuate any hard feelings, just report what I find. Folks from Chicago have a ...unique ... way with words.

BTW, I have decided that the project after the Mustang will be a wood boat. No more plastics for a while. Any wooden jewels you would recommend, besides the Atom Skier (which is my present direction of thought)?

Riley wrote: When's the build going to start?

As soon as I am rested up from my last trip to Wisconsin to pick up my latest acquisition, Dr. John Elsen's Mustang 16 that he originally bought for Moody Church that they gave back to him.

I will begin disassembly of the raw material, catalog all the pieces, and take some measurements. I plan on documenting everything with a camera and notebook to keep it all organized.

As for a schedule, I don't plan on keeping a tight one. I am not made of money and will need to save for some of the more exotic pieces. And I do need to eat and pay bills, too.

Suffice to say, I will keep everyone informed on the progress.

Oh, and one more thing...IT WILL REMAIN A LEFTY!

When's the build going to start?

8122pbrainard wrote: PAPA wrote: Tony, I agree with you in that it shouldn't be a BFD about which way it spins. As the owner of a 1977 nautique with a stroker 392 Ford spinning lefty I am glad I didn't ask first or I may have been talked out of doing it. We switched engines back in 2009 and the smiles have been well worth it. I have driven the boat 60 mph and I can say that with the engine spinning in the 5000 RPM range it was quite uneventful. My son and I have never complained about any handling issues other than a sticky steering cable which we changed. My plan is the same as yours; replace the engine with the factory original which I have whenever we get tired of the smiling. Florida Inboards wrote: Understanding The concept of hook and rocker is not rocket science. No worse than rudder torque and how to manipulate it. Not always does hook need to be added to make ride changes a lot of times it is just a little sanding and polishing to increase rocker. It is not a black art like some would believe. Propellers and their dynamics are far more complicated yet is discussed nearly daily on this board. I trust Jody's and Tim's opinions by far more that yours. Sorry but both of them have spent more time in different boats that you have. Don't forget that Jody worked for CC and was a major contributor to hull designs. He is also a professional driver. Righty or lefty

And I trust Woody's facts more than Jody and Tim's opinions (No offense guys)

The following will, hopefully, put this argument to bed once and for all(But I doubt it.)

According to Woody, who is in the ranks of Ralph Meloon, Sr, and Art Cozier, and has forgotten more about Correct Craft's than any of us will ever know has made the following statement concerning the Southwind Family of boats.

"The Southwind was built with a variety of powerplants. From MerCruiser stern drives, to jet drives, to full inboards, the Southwind family has come with just about anything." Woody says, and I quote, "The Southwind family does not give a rat's arse (keeping it clean) which direction the propeller turns." The control issues that have come up WOULD be an issue with a Nautique, a Mustang, or any other flat bottom design."

And "while the BFN is a similar design to the Southwind, the lifting strakes are different. So is the balance of the boat." Woody went into specific details about weight distribution and lift strake design and layout differences between the BFN and the Southwind family, which I won't clutter this thread with. But they are different. (sorry Tim)

Bottom line: she will be a lefty and while I plan on having it dyno'd, I will bring a box of jets and a timing light, so I can have Zach help me dial this thing in with a set of water manifolds on it.

If anyone here feels they are expert enough to question Woody's facts, pleae call him...on MY DIME! You can use my phone. I won't publish his cell number here as I don't have his permission.

fanofccfan wrote: JoeinNY wrote: I am a few projects away from building up a (hopefully twin turbo) 426 Chrysler right hand with roller cam,.. Yes!!!!!! The twins are ready to be picked up anytime.......

Any chance you can make it over to green lake this year?

Well I am in the middle of a plant move these days and without network connections for anything but the phone.. so sorry for being out of the loop on this… if it seems abrupt that’s just me conserving letters.
Here is my take… you do what you will with it.
RH or LH does make a difference on lean in a 2001 sn.. had it left then put it back right, I no longer have to drive from the passenger seat.. its kinda nice.   If you can’t figure out why draw a free body diagram… props are not 100 percent efficient in moving boats forward.   But I sure would rather have a left hand engine than no engine at all.   Part of the negative stigma (and destruction of resale value) of having a left hand engine in a right hand boat is that it has often been the result of someone replacing a blown up rh engine with the nearest junk yard lh replacement..
As for drag racing correct crafts at reunions.. happens all the time, whenever two inboards are in sight of each other and neither is pulling a skier they are racing…
bad handling at high speeds, also not a myth.. although I suspect not too big an issue for a southwind, prop choice, rudder choice, and hull can all play a role.. not to mention water conditions and the driver.   My advice would to be to make sure that everything else in the boat is up to the task. Old steering cables break, so do inadequate prop shafts.. seen both send people flying out of their boats so be careful.
Adding more blades to a prop to deal with more hp.. that’s mostly crazy talk.   Once you build it we can have 40 more pages on what prop would work best.
Zack made a comment about not wanting to add a roller cam because he likes his current idle? The beauty of a roller cam is that because of the increased ramp rates that can be achieved there are very few sacrifices that need to be made with a well designed roller cam.   If a great all around performing engine is your goal a roller cam is one of the best ways to get there.     
Either you are building an engine for this boat, or you are building a big bad ass mopar that will for a time be in this boat.
If you build an engine for this boat imho it should be RH(roller if in anyway possible), and a dual quad, running a bw 72 series.   I would paint the whole thing chrylser blue and add a few golden lion reproduction decals..(I would probably call it a 425 ski lion) and listen to the sweet exhaust music.
The cross ram stuff from A and A has been around for a few years in the mopar mags and is cool but really is only worth the effort and huge dollars if you are putting together a max wedge clone.   Putting together a stroked, aluminum head, lh monster that you could then sell to a mopar guy at some point but you run in the southwind for a few years wouldn’t be the worst crime ever committed.   It would actually give you more options as to what to do with the motor if you ever decide to sell the boat.
Running the motor on a dyno for tuning purposes isn’t really worth a heck of a lot unless you can run it with the proper exhaust, and preferably with water in it. Depending on the manifold design you might be able to rig something up. I have gone the lh route and the dyno route and the working with a builder who makes a lot of car engines route and a I got a motor that I still had to tune, with a cam that was too small, I had a piece of paper that said 403 hp but a boat that was like 51.x mph. Done much better building on my own since then.   
I am a few projects away from building up a (hopefully twin turbo) 426 Chrysler right hand with roller cam,.. if you choose to blaze that path first (and add the stroker component) be ready to accept delays and financial setbacks.   I have what I am pretty sure was the first stroked sbc RH roller cam engine sitting on a stand in an engine shop. From that experience I know you should expect that anything that turns and or has a seal could be an issue. Timing sets, pistons, cam blanks, rear main seals, front seals, distributor gears, etc may need to be custom or take a while to hunt down.   Then when you are done it may leak, eat gears, not fire in the right order, etc.   Each thing that has not been done before adds some uncertainty.. and likely time and money. Somethings are worth it, what those things are depends on you.   I could probably be talked into buying into a cam blank run, but unfortunately I am in no position to pick a grind at the moment, three boats in front of the mopar project.   

8122pbrainard wrote: I trust Jody's and Tim's opinions by far more that yours. Sorry but both of them have spent more time in different boats that you have. Righty or lefty

This doesnt strike you as unneccessarily harsh Pete? The guys spent a lot of time and money obtaining a data point I wouldnt mind hearing more about.. but if I was him I sure wouldnt bother sharing with that kind of reception.