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Originally posted by peter1234 peter1234 wrote:

the only downside i see is that keer reer reer sound it will make starting


Yeah, it will remind me of the old '69 Charger I had when I was a kid.
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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

Put a cross ram on it. Paint it orange and put Ramcharger 426 decals on the valve covers ;). Making 500 ponies in a big block stock CID Iron head motor is pretty easy let alone a stroker with better heads. Max wedge guys do it all day long with stock exhaust manifolds. With a good flowing aftermarket head and induction setup you should be able to achieve those numbers at pretty conservative RPM and and conservative camshaft.



I considered a Cross Ram. However, the Cross Ram intake only fit Max Wedge heads. Also, there are flow problems with Cross Ram intakes that are inherent with the design.

With a cross ram you are trying to get tunnel ram effect while keeping everything a secret under the hood. I have checked out the numbers on the old Edelbrock STR series. They are pretty, but troublesome. That is why Edelbrock dropped the STR series.

But they do look cool though.
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the only downside i see is that keer reer reer sound it will make starting
former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

I like you!!! 440 Source makes some nice stroker kits! I'm not sure about the heads. Indy is usually the clear winner in the Big Block Chrysler world as far as heads go. I agree totally with Tim on the roller for power and reliability. Plus you said budget?? What is that??? What is your target peak output RPM?

Mopar boats rock....


I am figuring RPM around 6,500 or so. I don't want to get too crazy or else I would sacrifice too much low end torque and I won't be able to get the boat on top of the water from a dead stop.

I considered Indy heads, but the Stealth are more cost effective and the numbers look as good as Indy...at least on paper.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

You're talking about a 500hp $$$$ build and you're not considering going roller? I'd question that logic. Do it for reliability alone, if not for performance (though you'd get both).

I'd go roller and I'd go RH to preserve proper handling, especially if the cost difference isn't huge. (I actually did just that with our 454 and the cost difference was substantial). Dont forget about all the other components youd be changing if you switch rotation. The v-hulls handle hp pretty well.

A vintage 440 stroker sounds pretty cool.



Forgive my neglect, Gordon at Performance Engines had mentioned that we would be using a Roller Hydraulic cam in this application.

As for going RH, the cost id immense. The cam alone would be custom manufactured by LSM Engineering and would be approximately $2,000.00.

I am looking at rotating the front pump to go LH (I have the Paragon Transmission from the engine and I am looking into do a performance rebuild on it.) And I will need a LH prop at about 13X14 or so. We will definitely be playing with propellers once we get it dialed in on a dyno.
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440 Build

Just as a reference.

Check out the guys tow rig for that Daytona at the bottom. I have seen it lots of times at the Mopar shows.
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Put a cross ram on it. Paint it orange and put Ramcharger 426 decals on the valve covers ;). Making 500 ponies in a big block stock CID Iron head motor is pretty easy let alone a stroker with better heads. Max wedge guys do it all day long with stock exhaust manifolds. With a good flowing aftermarket head and induction setup you should be able to achieve those numbers at pretty conservative RPM and and conservative camshaft.

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I like you!!! 440 Source makes some nice stroker kits! I'm not sure about the heads. Indy is usually the clear winner in the Big Block Chrysler world as far as heads go. I agree totally with Tim on the roller for power and reliability. Plus you said budget?? What is that??? What is your target peak output RPM?

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You're talking about a 500hp $$$$ build and you're not considering going roller? I'd question that logic. Do it for reliability alone, if not for performance (though you'd get both).

I'd go roller and I'd go RH to preserve proper handling, especially if the cost difference isn't huge. (I actually did just that with our 454 and the cost difference was substantial). Dont forget about all the other components youd be changing if you switch rotation. The v-hulls handle hp pretty well.

A vintage 440 stroker sounds pretty cool.
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For the sake of ease of building...lefty. Not my first choice, but it does simplify the build.
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Oh the raw material is here. I just need to sell off a few extra pieces that I don't need.

Then we are a go!
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Righty or lefty?
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Go Chrysler! My 75 Century MKII has a Chrysler 360 and my friend has a 440 in his 72 Century Coronado. Unstoppable engines, do it up!
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The Mission: Build a 500cid engine making 500hp using a Chrysler 440 as a starting point. The engine must produce 500hp reliably and at at a usable RPM AND require minimum to moderate maintenance to maintain tune while maintaining C.O.O.L. factor.

Equipment: Chrysler M440B block; 440 Source 500cid Stroker Kit; 440 Source Stealth bare cylinder heads; CH-28 Intake + Carter AFB carbs; or Hilborn Mechanical Fuel Injection

Procedure: Performance Arcing Engines in Bethalto, IL will machine M440B block to accept Stroker kit. Additionally, Stealth heads will be port matched to Glenwood Aluminum Exhaust logs and Edelbrock CH-28 or Hilborn Mechanical Fuel Injection; camshaft will be custom ground per performance Racing Specs

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Installation: 1974 Correct Craft Southwind 20

Purpose: to determine if it can be done as specified.

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