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Pete do people bring mid sixties or up correct crafts to shows to be judged? how many have you done in the last 5 yrs or so .
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Originally posted by peter1234 peter1234 wrote:

Pete do people bring mid sixties or up correct crafts to shows to be judged? how many have you done in the last 5 yrs or so .

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Yes, we are seeing more Correct Crafts as well as other more unusual boats at shows. I think it's partially due to people getting sick of looking at Chris's!!! Currently a 1943 to 1975 is classified as a classic and eligible for judging no matter what the hull is made of. Don't forget our very own bigwavedave was awarded the ACBS most original a couple years back.   


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Peter,
Yes, we are seeing more Correct Crafts as well as other more unusual boats at shows. I think it's partially due to people getting sick of looking at Chris's!!! Currently a 1943 to 1975 is classified as a classic and eligible for judging no matter what the hull is made of. Don't forget our very own bigwavedave was awarded the ACBS most original a couple years back.   


Pete,

When did Chris start making plastic boats? The earliest I have heard of was the Land 'N' Sea. Wasn't the Silver Arrow a plastic boat? When did Chris come out with it?
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:


Running the motor on a dyno for tuning purposes isn’t really worth a heck of a lot unless you can run it with the proper exhaust, and preferably with water in it. Depending on the manifold design you might be able to rig something up. I have gone the lh route and the dyno route and the working with a builder who makes a lot of car engines route and a I got a motor that I still had to tune, with a cam that was too small, I had a piece of paper that said 403 hp but a boat that was like 51.x mph. Done much better building on my own since then.


Joe,

What kind of changes (jet sizes, timing, etc) can I expect when going from a dyno run to the real deal with water manifolds? I am assuming that I won't be able to rig anything.

Do I need to go 1 or 2 steps lean or rich? A few degrees retarded?

Just asking so I know what to expect.

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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

This doesnt strike you as unneccessarily harsh Pete? The guys spent a lot of time and money obtaining a data point I wouldnt mind hearing more about.. but if I was him I sure wouldnt bother sharing with that kind of reception.


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

   Currently a 1943 to 1975 is classified as a classic and eligible for judging no matter what the hull is made of.    


I wonder if you'd get more participation from glass boats if they had seperate classes?
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

   Currently a 1943 to 1975 is classified as a classic and eligible for judging no matter what the hull is made of.    


I wonder if you'd get more participation from glass boats if they had seperate classes?


Good question. What about it, Pete?

As a fellow ACBS member, is there anything that can be done to influence the club?
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

   Currently a 1943 to 1975 is classified as a classic and eligible for judging no matter what the hull is made of.    


I wonder if you'd get more participation from glass boats if they had seperate classes?

Gary,
Some chapters do separate the wood from the glass hulls but both are still considered classics. There are more glass hulls every year but I know there are still many out there that consider the shows to be wood and hesitate bringing their glass boats.


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Originally posted by Tonali_III Tonali_III wrote:

Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

This doesnt strike you as unneccessarily harsh Pete? The guys spent a lot of time and money obtaining a data point I wouldnt mind hearing more about.. but if I was him I sure wouldnt bother sharing with that kind of reception.


Thank you for taking up for me.

Tony,
I wish you had quoted the complete post so all could understand the context.
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by PAPA PAPA wrote:


Tony, I agree with you in that it shouldn't be a BFD about which way it spins. As the owner of a 1977 nautique with a stroker 392 Ford spinning lefty I am glad I didn't ask first or I may have been talked out of doing it. We switched engines back in 2009 and the smiles have been well worth it. I have driven the boat 60 mph and I can say that with the engine spinning in the 5000 RPM range it was quite uneventful. My son and I have never complained about any handling issues other than a sticky steering cable which we changed. My plan is the same as yours; replace the engine with the factory original which I have whenever we get tired of the smiling.

Originally posted by Florida Inboards Florida Inboards wrote:

Understanding The concept of hook and rocker is not rocket science. No worse than rudder torque and how to manipulate it.
Not always does hook need to be added to make ride changes a lot of times it is just a little sanding and polishing to increase rocker. It is not a black art like some would believe. Propellers and their dynamics are far more complicated yet is discussed nearly daily on this board.

I trust Jody's and Tim's opinions by far more that yours. Sorry but both of them have spent more time in different boats that you have. Don't forget that Jody worked for CC and was a major contributor to hull designs. He is also a professional driver.
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Please understand that all the comments made to keep the engine a RH have been made for handling reasons and not originality.

It's great to hear that Woody doesn't feel a LH on that hull would be a problem.


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Got awful quiet here all of a sudden.
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Just got off the phone with Todd my best machinist at Terry's Machine Shop in Bridgeton,MO.

Todd basically told me what Tim and Jody said. A dyno is nice, but when you move from a controlled environment to the real world, all the numbers mean nothing.

Todd also said that the fancy multiple axis, CNC controlled boring machine is fine, but only as good as the operator. Todd is able to pay more attention to detail with his old fashion method. So even though the controls are tighter on the CNC unit and you can set it and walk away, if you push the wrong button, you end up with a very expensive boat anchor.

So it's back to using Todd at Terry's. Todd has never steered me wrong, has worked with me when I needed to, and remembers my name.
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Tony - Ask him if he will take pictures of the process that you can share with us.
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Tony - Ask him if he will take pictures of the process that you can share with us.


Good Idea!!! I will ask Todd when I get started. I am sure he will.
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Tony - How is the project coming along?
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Went back to this thread looking for roller cam info.
Where does the project stand today???
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