Obamas Gun Controle Proposal?

edit retract if one of those pigs were running after me i would want a drilling in 470 nitro express and a back up 12 ga slug gun with a 454 casull on my hip

they probably have and there is a divide forming within their own members. myself i cant agree with everything they do but they are the only real representation we as gun owners have .

Bruce sounds like mass is growing into southern maine like it did into so NH

Here is a statistic that on it's own would seem to indicate that Chicago's handgun ban is working:

Since the Chicago handgun ban was instituted the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect.
However:
During the same period of time the U.S. murder rate has averaged 25% lower.

Maybe things are pretty good left alone.

I'm going to try to stay out of this one. I have already made my position on the issue known. I will leave this link to a video here for anyone who wants to take the time to watch it. It is long. About 25 minutes. It is also a little slow and only one man's opinion, but he has the experience to talk about it and the reason behind the second ammendment. Travis is well respected in the firearms industry. He is a decorated special operations soldier, owns a very successful training company that specializes in dynamic training and weapons manipulation, is a level headed thinker, and does his research. He also does not sugar coat anything. I believe this video sums up where we are at as a country, but you need to listen very carefully to everything he says from the beginning to the end. I firmly believe Johnb's question about the price we pay for our gun rights is answered when he talks about nutnfancys video " the greater good". If you take the time to watch this video and come away empty handed, you should move to another country.

Travis Haley on the second ammendment

ETA: He drops one FBomb along the way so probably not good viewing for young ones.

Mike

Dave, it's not because she shot an intruder, it's because she never called 911 until it was over, she didn't ask who was at the front door ( burglars almost always knock and ring for a while because they don't want a confrontation ), and if the bad guy had a gun or an accomplice he very well may have ended all of their lives after she ran out of bullets and he was still in the fight. In that case there would be no one to call the police. As an EMT what does the average citizen do in the eve t of a medical emergency? Dial 911! I know your training made that clear. I am not arguing against home protection, but she did practically everything wrong. She was very lucky. Burglars generally flee when confronted. In my 20 years I have only arrested one armed burglar that I can remember.

john b wrote: and if the bad guy had a gun or an accomplice he very well may have ended all of their lives after she ran out of bullets and he was still in the fight.

So you see a danger or liability in Obama limiting clip size for legal gun owners?

she probably should have scared him away so he could go to someone else's house to break in

John
Are you saying its the woman's fault for being robbed and protecting her family? Dam her for not trusting the police to get there in time to Maybe stop the POS from robbing and possibly doing harm. The only thing I see she did wrong was not having a gun with a large enough magazine to finish the job.My 40 cal holds 12 plus 1 in the chamber. One thing for sure the next time the POS breaks in to a house he will probably flee if he finds someone hiding.

A better solution to these shooting is to look to the source. Mentally ill people almost all on prescription drugs. Non of these shootings were done by sane law abiding citizens with legally owned guns but they are the people the new regulations will affect the most. Criminals and insane people dont care about laws or regulations. Until they look to the real source they are only blaming cars for traffic accidents.

john b wrote: Dave, it's not because she shot an intruder, it's because she never called 911 until it was over, she didn't ask who was at the front door ( burglars almost always knock and ring for a while because they don't want a confrontation ), and if the bad guy had a gun or an accomplice he very well may have ended all of their lives after she ran out of bullets and he was still in the fight. In that case there would be no one to call the police. As an EMT what does the average citizen do in the eve t of a medical emergency? Dial 911! I know your training made that clear. I am not arguing against home protection, but she did practically everything wrong. She was very lucky. Burglars generally flee when confronted. In my 20 years I have only arrested one armed burglar that I can remember.

John my brother,if it is the one I am thinking of,she was on the phone with her husband who called 911.He told his wife if he comes in that room,"You shoot him".Remeber what I taught you!!He did and he told her over and over ,"shoot him,shoot him,shoot him again". Now you flip the story,and take her guns away,instead we read headlines of"Mom and kid die on intruder invasion"!

john b wrote: Yea, she was really bright. Next time I have a flat tire I'm calling my dentist! I'm happy it ended well for her.

If your dentist is your wife and she has a spare and a jack. Why not?

I guess these guys grabbed the gun.

Retired detective fatally shoots son after mistaking him for intruder

Connecticut father kills masked intruder, learns it's his son.

A father in Connecticut mistakenly shot his 15-year-old son outside a neighbor’s house during what appeared to be an attempted burglary, police said.
Jeffrey Giuliano, of New Fairfield, shot his adopted son Tyler at about 1 a.m. Thursday. A woman who was alone in a neighbor’s house believed someone was breaking in and called Giuliano, who lives next door. Police said he armed himself with a handgun and went outside to investigate.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/28/connecticut-father-kills-masked-intruder-learns-it-his-son/#ixzz2IorQqAfu


Minn. man charged for shooting granddaughter

A Rochester pastor is charged with a felony for shooting and wounding his granddaughter after mistaking her for an intruder last month. Sixty-one-year-old Stanley Wilkinson is charged with intentional discharge of a firearm that endangered safety. A court appearance is scheduled Feb. 25. Wilkinson told police he grabbed his pistol after hearing a noise outside his house Dec. 10 and fired two rounds after seeing what he thought was someone trying to open the deck door. It turned out to be his 16-year-old granddaughter, who was struck once in the neck. The teen had been living with her grandparents. She told police she left the house without her grandparents knowing. Wilkinson is pastor at the Seventh-Day Adventist Church in Rochester. Calls left for him were not immediately returned Thursday night.


Girlfriend killed when mistaken for intruder is identified;

NATOMAS, CA - A woman mistaken for an intruder who was shot and killed by her boyfriend inside a Natomas home Monday was identified by the Sacramento County coroner as 34-year-old Desire Ann Miller.
According to Sacramento Police Department Officer Michelle Gigante, Miller went into the dark bedroom around 5:30 Monday morning where her boyfriend was sleeping. He awoke to see the silhouette of a person in his room, mistook the person for an intruder, grabbed a gun and shot Miller.
When the man realized what had happened, he called 911 and informed them of the shooting, said Gigante.
Emergency personnel arrived at the home on the 200 block of Battle Creek Circle and transported Miller to a nearby hospital where she was pronounced dead shortly before 7:30 a.m.
Sacramento police withheld the identity of the man.

MISTAKEN FOR A BURGLAR.; A FATHER SHOOTS HIS OWN DAUGHTER-- THE WOUND PROBABLY FATAL.

PHILADELPHIA, March 5.--Charles C. Marple, a florist, living in Gloucester, N.J., and doing business at No. 524 Market-street, Camden, shot his daughter this morning, mistaking her for a burglar. The wound is very serious, Miss Mary Marple, the victim, is pretty and intelligent girl, 20 years old. She assisted her father in his business and was noted for her taste in the arrangement of floral decorations.



A 24-year-old San Mateo man was shot three times when he entered the residence on the 600 block of Crane Avenue just after 4 a.m. March 25. Authorities say he had spent the night drinking with friends the previous night and was so intoxicated he inadvertently thought the residence belonged to a friend.
Inside the home, a Brentwood man staying over after a family gathering thought the unarmed man was an intruder and opened fire.

NEW ORLEANS -- Authorities say a New Orleans woman shot and killed her husband after mistaking him for an intruder.
Police say the 53-year-old woman shot the 57-year-old man Monday, shortly after 11 a.m. at their home in the city's Lower 9th Ward. Neither the name of the victim or his wife was released, pending notification of other family members.

For each of the few cases of someone successfully killing an intruder there are many more cases of someone accidentally killing a family member. I could post hundreds of these. I am on the fulcrum of the gun control debate.
In very few instances do they offer any kind of protection. Keep your guns for plinking, hunting, or just for fun, but for home defense, they have proven to kill a lot more family members than intruders.

John, are you serious? Those instances you posted are the absolute exception to the norm. You also conveniently cut out the dates on those stories. Wonder how many years you had to go back to collect those... I can come up with instances where people have choked on a chicken bone and died. Should we outlaw chickens? Come on man.

And how many unarmed victims were shot by criminals in the same period?

Boy for somebody who doesnt care either way you sure seem to care