Boat not used in 5 years. And then? |
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TRIP
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Posted: March-09-2013 at 2:58am |
I *might* have found a stunning deal on a boat (non-CC), but the "might" is a very big might.
It's being offered at about 1/4 of the value of one in good shape. I haven't seen it yet, but the owner claims that it's in really good shape, but that it needs new "tubes". No idea what he's talking about. But here's the catch; like the title says, it's been sitting for 5 years. What should I expect to do (and spend) to get it ready to use again, assuming it doesn't have any other problems? Engine (Indmar LTR VRS 5.7L EFI, probably), steering cable, control cables, trailer (tires, bearings?)? Any info and rough estimate of (minimum) cost is appreciated! |
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jimsport93
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Have you seen the boat yet?
Any pictures? |
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TRIP
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No Pictures, no ad. I've seen the boat briefly 5 or 6 years ago when it was for sale. Seemed to be in really good shape back then, at least cosmetically. Ever since that boat sold I wondered where it was, never saw it again, never heard where it had gone. I'm in a tiny country with less than 10 inboards, so normally you know exactly who/what/where.
Anyway, the guy who bought it supposedly never used it, he claims. What seems more logical to me is that he did but that something (those "tubes") was wrong, didn't know what to do with it and put it away. I hope I can check it out somewhere next week to get a general idea what shape it's in. I know I won't be able to do a test drive, but would like to know what I can check, and what to expect to have to change and spend to get it on the water again. |
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ArtCozier
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Perhaps he is talking about the exhaust outlet "tubes?" That could match up with the term "tubos de escape," which is "exhaust pipes" in Spanish.
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It entirely depends on how/if he flushed it prior to letting it sit for 5yrs. I'd bet money that the salt water it was in 5yrs ago is still sitting inside the engine. In which case that salt water has had 5 uninterupted years to eat away at the metal inside the cooling passages. You're looking at a minimum of risers and manifolds. Depending if the head are aluminum or iron I'd also be very nervous about those. Trailer sitting for that long I'd probably go ahead and do the tires and bearings. Not that expensive in the overall scheme of things.
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GlassSeeker
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Go look at it!
I'm thinkin that if I lived in a country where there were only 10 boats and I could afford to get one of them I'd do it somehow. Especially at a 1/4 of its supposed value. How close is the closest Indmar dealer? |
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i´d say MIA...if there´s one there... |
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TRIP
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I hope to be able to go take a look in the next week or so. It's not listed for sale anywhere so it won't go anywhere.
Closest Indmar dealer is a couple 1000 miles away, maybe in Mexico, or else in the states. |
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I suspect he melted el tubes!
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Is it definitely a salt water boat? If so, and not properly flushed like John said, it will have a lot of potential problems after sitting for 5 years.
If it's a fresh water boat, 5 years isn't necessarily going to cause any harm. No reason the steering cable, control cables, etc. are bad. Go on the assumption they didn't put it up properly before it sat, and you may have an injection system with crud in it, stale gas with water in it in the tank. Engines that sit for a long time shouldn't just be cranked over. The preferred method would be to manually spin the oil pump to prime the engine after that amount of time. If you can't do that, at least spray fogging oil or light oil in each spark plug hole before turning it over at all, though that won't lubricate the valve train. What exactly is the boat? |
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TRIP
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Well, finally had a chance to check out this boat. Trailer, hull, upholstery: all good. But then the engine: I guess "it needs some new tubes" is the Costa Rican way of saying "it needs a new engine".
Here's a pic: Many more pics at this link I don't know what would be cheaper (read: less expensive) and better; a rebuild or a new block. How much is a new block? What's a good place to find one? Anyone know if it's LH or RH rotation ($800 difference at skidim). Any other tips and info is welcome! |
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It couldn't have frozen could it?
pull the whole engine out and figure out what all needs to be replaced. the block and heads may be just as cracked as those manifolds(tubes) |
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one of the rods is bent...
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that means it was turning when something bad happened
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That's some good info. Any idea what could have caused it? Frozen: not a chance, it's been in CR all it's life. |
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lewy2001
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Frozen with rust maybe!
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You can see the port side elbow is cracked damn near in half.
That thing is an 8 cylinder aquarium. The entire rolling assembly is likely shot. Shop for a good running crate engine. Complete package, pay once and bolt it in. Heavy freight from the states wont be too bad. |
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Given the weather in Costa Rica ruling out freezing, I'd say lost the raw water pump, overheated and seized. Still surprised at how that manifold cracked though.
I agree, look for a replacement engine. What is the boat? |
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It wen't kaboom.
The 350 in the Skylark was so rusty internally even with all of the head bolts out a chisel between the head and block and a 10lb hammer the heads wouldn't budge. |
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ArtCozier
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This caught my eye, so thought I'd try to offer some help. If it is a Correct Craft, the engine has been changed out after the boat was new. To my knowledge, we have never set an Indmar. The "L" in the engine serial number indicates to me that it's a left-hand )("standard") rotation, but again I don't know a lot about Indmar.
This does look like a candidate for a replacement engine. The simplest solution would be a "bobtail" engine from DIM or some other source. That means an engine with manifolds, water pumps, starter, and everything but the transmission, as opposed to a "base engine" which would be without any external accessories. It could be more practical to replace it with a PCM, but that is for you to decide after studying it. Another decision would be to go fuel injection or carbureted. There is a distributor here in Orlando who I know exports engines. The email addresss is JAChamb@aol.com I hope this helps, Art |
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It's a Mastercraft but...
I'm going to guess that saltwater is the culprit, or that the engine was not being flushed after use in saltwater, or that it had its catastrophic failure and then was parked for 5 years with saltwater in the engine. you may be able to salvage some of the parts but Art is right you are going to need a whole new engine "Bobtail" If you are running in salt water switch to a closed cooling system at the same time. |
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Thanks for your help everyone. It is indeed a Mastercraft, a 2001 X-Star with 310hp Indmar LTR VRS 5.7L EFI.
Art, I'll send that guy in Orlando an email right away, thanks for the contact. |
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Haha, end of topic when I post it's a MC? ;)
Should I look to get another Indmar engine, or would any 350 work? Any ideas where to find a wrecked boat (with good engine)? |
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What can you use from the wrecked one? nothing? you need to figure this out.
yes the block could be any gm 350 5.7 block of similar age but I'd try to stick to Indmar stuff. you need so much stuff that the bobtail is the way to go. get an indmar. so you get plug and play. It won't be easy and it won't be cheap, especially in Costa Rica. |
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Going back to the original post - this boat was attractive because of the cheap price - is this still the case?
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TRIP
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Ha, nice one. No, it's not going to be as cheap as we expected/hoped it would be. I'm thinking of making a super low offer, to have it up and running for less than 15K. Considering the fact that boats are about 30% more expensive here than in the US that would still be "not bad". Finding a good used Indmar from a wrecked boat would be the ideal scenario. |
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ArtCozier
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Although you would have to change some wiring and probably the exhaust hookup, a PCM engine will give you the same results. Not that I greatly favor one over the other, but PCMs are more available. Even a 351 (5.8 L) will work fine for you, as long as you make sure to get the bellhousing, and might be even more available than 350s. However, I'm starting to lean a bit toward what SNobsessed said, is it really worth all the hassle?
I would recommend that you contact Miami Ski Nautiques in Miami, FL and ask some questions of them. They export a lot of used ski boats of all brands to Latin America and you might find something that will add up to the same money without all the hassle. The salesperson that I know best there is Luke. Art |
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TRIP
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Hola,
yeah I've been working with Miaminautiques a bit in the past. But good idea; I sent them an email. This is a logistical nightmare logistical nightmare (anyone in Vegas?) but it might be an option. Any idea how easily(/hard) a Mercruiser would fit? |
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maybe...there is an adapter on ebay from Indmar to Mercruiser so it "might" be doable.
see wire harness adapter EDM Indmar to Mercruiser. |
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