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Originally posted by Riley Riley wrote:

    Has the optimum height been realized yet?



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I am just a little worried about the safety of it. I have been standing next to a sail boat mast that buckled and it was the closest I have come to death (and believe me I have done a lot of stupid things).

What does the joint look like between the two tubes?
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Slip joints, Stainless steel tube...there are 4 slip joints total.

I was more than just a little worried with that 250lber on there but it looked fine.

I don't think this will make it on to the long list of stupid things I've done.

Maximum height has been set by the rules. 4.0 Meters.
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I have no idea if it's allowed in the barefoot racing. My guess would be be that it would be allowed. Seems like racing has dwindled since Chuck lost his finger.
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The tow plane photo is a perfect illustration:

Do any of you think there is any less weight on his feet?
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A high pull from a bouncing boat sure sucks. This is also a reason I prefer PE rope over spectra. Andy has made mention if this as well, how Willie still uses it because its got some stretch.
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Originally posted by GlassSeeker GlassSeeker wrote:

Do any of you think there is any less weight on his feet?


Physics says yes.

Please tell us more about this lost finger.
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I'm not aware of the exact details but during a race last year or year before Chuck lost a finger to the rope somehow.

Please then do the physics and tell me if a 75 foot rope hooked to a 4M high pole is able to reduce the 150lbs of the skier's weight and by how much.
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A general statement skiers have made is that it feels like it adds 2 mph

I'd say it feels like it increases your margin of error (Barefooting is always skiing on the edge of disaster)

I think the place I notice it the most is front one foot wakes feel "safer"



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As long as there is tension in the rope the answer is yes. You would need to calculate the drag (probably impossible to do), measure the tension in the rope (much easier) or measure the stretch of the rope (with known properties) under such skiing condition to get a close enough answer. You get me one of these 3 and ill do the math!

The answer is absolutely yes Andy.
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my guess would be that the rope is not inclined enough to reduce the skiers weight on the water by even 1 pound.

I've skied it enough to know too.

here's 245 feet of rope drooping while I ski on it.


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Please be wary of the using mid-attachment point - the mast sections could buckle without cable support there.
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Outboards are bouncy compared to inboards. It's surges on the end of the line which is worse with stretchy rope and skiing backwards.

Willie told me that when we put Mike Corral (250lbs)out there it was going to stand my Sanger DX inboard up and then bounce up to speed. I just laughed and said "It ain't no Malibu Willie" as Willie accelerated even with a 12ft pole the Sanger jumped immediately on plane and took off no bounce.
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Originally posted by SNobsessed SNobsessed wrote:

Please be wary of the using mid-attachment point - the mast sections could buckle without cable support there.


I may add a cable or two along the length, but we watched that and tested that mid towpoint too and it did not move.

I think we will get out tomorrow and I will take pictures at least if not video.
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Not to throw a wrench in here but if a 12' fly high is so great why then do they not sell one? Why not add 3 or 4 together if higher is better. If you got the rope high enough I bet your feet wouldn't even touch the water. Thus another new trick!
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Because they want to sell you a tower and an extension for 3000.

2 together is rickety enough, 3 or 4 it would be leaning over.
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Originally posted by harddock harddock wrote:

Not to throw a wrench in here but if a 12' fly high is so great why then do they not sell one? Why not add 3 or 4 together if higher is better. If you got the rope high enough I bet your feet wouldn't even touch the water. Thus another new trick!


Its a small amendment to enhance the sport. Kind of like surfers who go out and buy a $130,000 boat and then add a $3000 NSS to enhance a 10 mph, stand there on a board like a lump, sport. Well, no, maybe its not like that at all.
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I went ahead and assumed line tension to be equal to the skier's weight. This calculates to a 17.4% lightening effect skiing a 75' line 4m off the water (which is ~10 degrees).

weight loss = line tension x (pull height/rope length)
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So what your saying is to make things equal, when I foot next to HW his line should be tied to the underside of the platform and mine should be on the super fly me higher!!
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I think the math is fuzzy, get out there and barefoot on the high pole and then tell me how much "lighter" you are on the water.

I don't feel lighter.



There is some low pole footing in here, some SN wake crossing(treacherous) and alot of footing.

I owe tons of thanks to Roy for putting all the videos up on the tube.

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I feel lighter. I notice that I can foot farther, or the same distance with less fatigue, when using a higher tow point. Thats just physics. Hopefully Joe will draw a free body diagram for us... Im a little rusty.
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You are certainly entitled to your feel, but the free body diagram doesn't lie. I already threw the FBD I drew with the trigonometry in the recycling bin. An experienced footer going as fast as you do just might not feel it.

I ski from a variety of heights and line lengths. Come ski 90' from the waterline with me... You might feel a difference. When I need to get my DXII SFH fix I ski with 2 from this picture.

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Now Those girls are more than 17.4% lighter LOL
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Look at Billy Nichols endurance record, low pole, 2 hours and 45 minutes...
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I ski with one of them in the picture too(not the same two as Hollywood)
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I've been a slacker with my camera lately but the Double Stack has worked just fine, easy to set up and take down, looks decent, satisfies my friends who ski on tower extensions.

As I understand it one of the towerless boats at Nationals this year will be outfitted with a double stack.
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It will be this one from the beginning of the thread. Probably set up exactly like it is here.   

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Originally posted by GlassSeeker GlassSeeker wrote:

Now Those girls are more than 17.4% lighter LOL


Speaking of mathematics depending on which 2 you choose I'd wonder if their avg. age was over 17.4 lol.
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That's what I love about these high school girls man.
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if the position of the rope does not affect how "light" you feel on the water, I'd like to try an underwater attachment.

In all seriousness, theres different forces involved in the above scenario. The tension of the rope provides a combination of 2 forces, horizontal and vertical. A low pull provides mostly horizontal force, and as you raise the height of attachment, vertical forces are increased. Whether that increase in vertical force is felt by the skier is subjective and depends on a lot more factors that I'm sure most non physicists/engineers are aware of.

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