GT40 |
Post Reply | Page <12 |
Author | |
AndrewB
Newbie Joined: August-12-2013 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Tps voltage is different but as far as commanded fuel and spark values I am not sure i have not ran into it in the service manual yet.
|
|
Bri892001
Grand Poobah Joined: September-27-2008 Location: Boston MA Status: Offline Points: 4945 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Then the question is: What is different about the WOT condition? I know some fuel injected cars used to go into a flood clearing mode like a carb'd under WOT. Like, they'll cut fuel to let it clear. Do you get any kind of black smoke or anything when it fires after not firing? What other parameters change under WOT (kind of putting that question out there for lewy and others). |
|
AndrewB
Newbie Joined: August-12-2013 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Bri yes everytime wot fires
|
|
Bri892001
Grand Poobah Joined: September-27-2008 Location: Boston MA Status: Offline Points: 4945 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Does the boat always Start when you apply full throttle?
|
|
AndrewB
Newbie Joined: August-12-2013 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Yea sorry about that I was talking to another guy on the boat. I was tapping the coil and the tfi module not very hard but enough to vibrate them.
|
|
lewy2001
Grand Poobah Joined: March-19-2008 Location: NSW Australia Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
???? Not sure what is going on with that post. Need a better description than that of symptoms. |
|
If you're going through hell, keep going
89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
|
AndrewB
Newbie Joined: August-12-2013 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I hit other places today and the boats did start kne of then was the tfi module I'm at a loss here
|
|
AndrewB
Newbie Joined: August-12-2013 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Yea 40 psi and it holds I left the gauge on came down 20 minutes later and still had 38 psi
|
|
lewy2001
Grand Poobah Joined: March-19-2008 Location: NSW Australia Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
The IAC will not stop the engine from starting. May not idle that well but should still start. "Adjusting" (smacking) the IAC should have no effect except if you have a bad electrical connection somewhere.
Just to confirm, when it will not start you have approx. 40psi fuel pressure and the pumps are performing there prime cycle. The manual states the fuel rail should maintain within 3 psi of the approx 40psi for 3 minutes. I would jumper the STO and run the pumps for 30 secs to get your initial 40 psi for this leakdown test. |
|
If you're going through hell, keep going
89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
|
AndrewB
Newbie Joined: August-12-2013 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Well went down boat wouldn't start smacked the IAC a few times and bam fired right up
|
|
AndrewB
Newbie Joined: August-12-2013 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I just wanna throw a real curve here. If I were to pull the boat put it in the garage and put it back in the water tomorrow the first startup would not be an issue.
|
|
AndrewB
Newbie Joined: August-12-2013 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Yea today went out and boat would not run unless I opened the throttle to wot. 20psi the first prime then 40psi as soon as I cranked and no start unless wot. Took it for a hard run ima go down in a little and see if it'll fire after heat soaking.
|
|
lewy2001
Grand Poobah Joined: March-19-2008 Location: NSW Australia Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Sounds like a possible heat soak problem. Can you hear the pumps run for the prime cycle when ignition is switched to on position. This is a great starting point for any non start problems on the GT40.
I would also get a pressure gauge to test that it has correct fuel pressure when it will not start. This Old GT40 Thread has lots of information that may help. Will it still start if you go WOT? That is the weird part about your non start problem. |
|
If you're going through hell, keep going
89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
|
AndrewB
Newbie Joined: August-12-2013 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Well went out to the lake a day early to put the boat in and as usual fired right up when i first put it in. came back down around 30 minutes later and once again cranks but no start. :( Guess I better keep hunting.
|
|
AndrewB
Newbie Joined: August-12-2013 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Went ahead and tested the tps the voltages were correct based on the chart in the RM. I also noticed when I was checking the injectors the plenum gasket looked wet on the back 4 runners. Went ahead and put a new gasket on after cleaning everything up. Cleaned up the FCC also changed the inline fuel filter that was installed by the previous owner. Someone in the shop at work had mentioned it sounded either like a tps or MAP sensor. So I went ahead and put a new map sensor on just for the heck of it. The cost was $35 from autozone with Toyotas commercial account there. Anywho threw it all back together took the boat out fired up the first try ran it around the lake and she screamed the Perfect Pass showed 5020 RPM and 45MPH where as before i though the boat had plenty of power but I was only seeing 4200 rpm at WOT. I guess we will see this weekend if my issue is fully resolved.
|
|
lewy2001
Grand Poobah Joined: March-19-2008 Location: NSW Australia Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
OK I would start looking at the TPS (Throttle position sensor). The reference section has the GT40 manual and resistance values for the TPS.
|
|
If you're going through hell, keep going
89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
|
AndrewB
Newbie Joined: August-12-2013 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Nope just idles like nothing was wrong I pulled the injectors and they don't seem to leak at all. Primed the rail and not a drop of fuel out pf them until the inkector blew off the rail the second or third prime.
|
|
lewy2001
Grand Poobah Joined: March-19-2008 Location: NSW Australia Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
When it starts with WOT does it take a moment to clear and then run OK? If it does it sounds like it was flooded. Possible leaking injector, check for loss of fuel pressure when engine is off.
|
|
If you're going through hell, keep going
89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
|
AndrewB
Newbie Joined: August-12-2013 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Yea cranks but hard//no starting unless wot sorry that was pretty important
|
|
Hollywood
Moderator Group Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13512 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
So it cranks but no run?
|
|
AndrewB
Newbie Joined: August-12-2013 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Solved.
|
|
Post Reply | Page <12 |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |