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rilee29
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think I have found it. Firing orders and plug wire orientation were correct. I had spark, but was checking it at the coil. Turns out somehow my distributor is shorting out. I can light my test light on the outside casing. more old time checking I had forgotten about. Any recommendations for a distributor upgrade that doesn't cost more than the $500 I paid for the boat and the extra $500 I have put into everything else so far?
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KENO
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He needs the reverse rotation firing order which is how he says it's hooked up now.
That would be 1 2 7 5 6 3 4 8. And rilee that LM designation just means it's a Chrysler marine engine and tells you nothing about direction of rotation although it certainly seems that you have a RR engine based on your rotation observations. Like Eddie and DesertSkier I have the feeling you haven't correctly found TDC for #1 cylinder and then oriented the distributor wires so that the terminal the rotor is pointing at is by default the terminal for #1 spark plug wire, then go clockwise from there with the Reverse rotation firing order.. Just a feelin KenO |
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backfoot100
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Or is the firing order truly reversed even if the dizzy spins the same direction for RR engines??? Wow, I feel like friggin' rookie here.
Guess that's why I stick with standard rotation engines. |
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When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded.
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backfoot100
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Firing order is reversed. Need to verify which terminal on the cap is truly #1. It could be any of them. Get to compression stroke of #1 cylinder and see which terminal the rotor is at. That's #1. and CW from there. 18436572 Thanks again Ken... |
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When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded.
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backfoot100
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Thanks for the info Ken. Much appreciated. Chrysler and Chevy engineers had to be working together,...LOL. |
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When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded.
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Dreaming
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Here is a diagram for you - pulled from another site, but it looks to be comprehensive. Also to note, the distributor is shown in a schematic location, your dist. looks like it is in the back of the motor by the flywheel... This Schematic diagram looks as if the dist is in the front of the engine... cylinder location is the same, compared to the flywheel, the diagram is just a bit confusing.
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Dreaming
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something doesn't sound right with your timing... that battery could be weak, but if you can make the motor spin with the starter by retarding the timing, it sounds to me like you have a plug out of order, or you have #1 180° out. Make sure you have #1 it on the compression stroke when you mark the distributor, location of #1 wire doesn't matter, as long as the rotor points to the plug wire in the right order. Since you have a Mopar, make sure you are actually putting #1 where it should be on the motor as well. Ford/Chevy are different, so double confirm...
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8122pbrainard
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Rick,
Get some volt readings at the battery (on the posts - not the cable terminals) and then all the way through to the starter during cranking. |
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rilee29
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150 straight across within 1 psi. Maybe I need a heavier duty battery? I have to retard timing a bit to get it to even turn over...scratching my head for sure!
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8122pbrainard
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Rick,
There's not much left that would prevent that engine from running except compression!! |
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rilee29
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So distributor is turning clockwise. That makes the starter right. Motor is spinning ccw at front. Clockwise at the flywheel. That makes this a rr engine so the casting marks are correct. I am starting my firing order with #1 on the cap in the middle pointing at the carb. Clockwise, 12756348. Timing is 2.5 degree btdc. (A GUESS) Gap on points at .018. New points, cap, rotor, and plugs AND WIRES. Also a new carb. Checked for spark and good. Tried ether and gas and I still have nothing. ...anyone see something I'm not?
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KENO
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It's time for your really big surprise now Eddie. Small block Mopar firing order and cylinder numbering scheme is the same as a Chevy. The distributor turns clockwise for both normal and reverse rotation, the same as a Chevy too For rilee29, with the distributor cap off look at your rotor and see which way it's spinning when you're cranking the engine over. If the rotor is going clockwise you've at least got the right starter. If it's going counterclockwise.......it ain't gonna start no matter what order you use. It would mean you have the wrong rotation starter in there. Edit Chrysler's LM designation is for a marine engine Hope this helps you some KenO |
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rilee29
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So the starter spins the motor ccw.looking at it from the front. I have a picture of the block casting. I'll try and post it. Not sure of all the number but it definitely ends in 318-2.
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Rick
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8122pbrainard
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Rick, Looking at the front of the engine, a RR will turn counterclockwise. |
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rilee29
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Near as I can tell, the distributor always turns clockwise. I was surprised at the firing order too, but it's correct according to the manuals I've seen. It's reversed for the reverse rotation engine and same for standard rotation. Now I have to figure out if this motor has been rebuilt incorrectly or if I need a different starter.
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Rick
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backfoot100
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If you're going clockwise around the dizzy from #1 that firing order is for a Chevy.
I have no idea what a RR rotation Mopar firing order is or which way the dizzy turns in that scenario but I would be really surprised if it's the same as a bowtie. |
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When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded.
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8122pbrainard
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[QUOTE=rilee29] . I'll check out the manual. I have a degree in automotive technology [QUOTE]
You can't plug any diagnostic tools in to these older engines! Dig out your old timing light, the dwell meter and the VOM!! |
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rilee29
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Yes, on the checks. New points and condenser, new carburetor. I'll check out the manual. I have a degree in automotive technology but haven't messed with this older stuff for decades and have never had to deal with boats, reverse rotation etc. Here we go!
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Rick
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8122pbrainard
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Rick,
Congratulations on the purchase of a classic CC. Take a look in the reference section under manuals. There's a Chrysler manual that will tell you what you need. Have you checked for spark and fuel? Considering how long it's not been run, I suggest cleaning up the point set contacts. There may be surface corrosion on them preventing the grounding of the coil. |
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rilee29
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So this exact boat is now in my possession. I bought it from the owner of a boat sales near Herriman, Utah. I did get it cheap and was purchased in Nov 2015. The engine coding on the block says it's an LM motor which if I am not mistaken is a reverse rotation engine? Wires on the motor were in the 18436572 firing order and when I opened up the timing cover and valve covers, I don't think this motor has ever been ran. No bluing or wear marks of any kind. I have tried both firing orders, changing timing, but have not been able to get t to fire. If anyone can help, where do I start in finding out which way this should spin regardless of numbers or starter direction? This seems to have been monkeyed with a lot and I would love to not have to pull it down to the cam to figure this out. I just got all the correct hoses, stat housing etc on it. HELP?
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Rick
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JSA1967
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I will for sure because I don't know if they realize a raccoon or squirrel was living in it and has been tearing out the upholstery!
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J. Angel
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Smithfamily
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I hate when that happens.... You ought to get your contact info to that person, because, likely, nothing will be done to it once they get it and see the work it needs, and the money it will take. |
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JSA1967
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I got to see the boat and was really pumped to get it home...then I got the bad news. A family member of the person who owns the boat said they still wanted it. I was pretty bummed but I'm not going to give up yet. I have really enjoyed learning from all you at this site and hope to someday soon be a fellow Correct Craft owner. Until then I will keep reading the posts and enjoying this great forum!
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J. Angel
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JSA1967
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Hard to beat FREE . I'm go'in blind reading all I can about these boats! Can't wait to see it in person next week!
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J. Angel
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Gary S
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See what we think??? You said it's Free. Just haul it home put a few bucks into it to get it running and drive it like you stole it because you did |
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JSA1967
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Thanks 65! So your saying that since the plate is marked "MQ" there probably is not a number on the transom then? I had my son look for a marking on the transom but he said he didn't see anything. I will get to see the boat next week. I've been doing a lot of reading on this site and saw some info on how to check the stringers for rot. I'll post my findings and see what all of you think.
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J. Angel
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65 'cuda
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It's a '72 or earlier, if it was manufactured after nov 1, 1972 it would have a Hull Identification Number "CTC..." number on the transom, not a MQ serial number on the plate. Looks to be a '72.
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Smithfamily
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Freeeee?!!? Grab it and get to work!!
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Js
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Gary S
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More than likely original,Chryslers were very popular back in the day,
most likely came with good credit terms for Correct Craft All they really did was to put Ski Nautique on the sides,not the first time that has been done--- |
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JSA1967
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Thanks everyone for the info! No wonder I couldn't find a Ski Nautique that looked like it. I guess the previous owners(s)wanted it to "look" like something it isn't by putting incorrect logos on it and changing other items.?.?. I can get the boat for free and thought it might make a fun project. I will definitely have to spend a lot of time on this site to get me through this project if I decide to take it on!
Phatsat67, you mentioned it looks to have a Chrysler 318. I haven't been able to find that motor listed as being used? Do you think the original was changed out? Sorry for the silly questions but I am a real newbie to this! |
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