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    Posted: January-22-2014 at 8:04pm
'The Works' toilet cleaner makes a good agent for cleaning out the manifolds if they are off the boat. All kinds of nasty crud came out of mine when I used that. Just plug the hose barb & pour it into the riser port. slosh it around & rinse after an hour.
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I don't winterize. Garage kept and run every month of the year. However, it bothered me that my thermostat was rusted like it was. It was only a couple years old and even though the boat gets run often, it was still rusted.

I'll open plugs and take a look soon. Thanks.
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+1. I like taking a look see inside. I have stored dry for 8 seasons now with no issues.
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If you're just a "warm it up in the driveway and suck up antifreeze" winterizer your manifolds are likely full of scale. Open up those drain plugs and let that crap out. You said your risers are cool so this might not even be an issue.
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Manifolds and risers - if not cracked or completely choked with corrosion, you should be able to use them. see how much you can clean and flush out of them, as long as there's a clear path there's not much more to them.
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Sounds like you need to get into the throttle more in that thing to keep the crap out of it ;).
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Thermostat was rusted open. I decided this winter I'm going to replace a bunch of the cooling system. The water pump was definitely the problem...replaced. Now I have replaced the thermostat housing (upper and lower) and the elbow pipe. Everything is good now. Boat runs at 140 in the driveway--haven't put it in the water yet. Risers are cool to the touch after engine has warmed up. I'm happy with everything.

I've got manifolds and risers sitting in my garage. Will probably replace this spring, but may run the boat for a while first and see if there are any issues with them. The insides of my thermo housing were pretty corroded. Probably didn't have to replace, but glad I did. I'm guessing my manifolds look the same way.

Thanks for everyone's help. This is such a great forum.

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Carbureted engines run the 143. Fuel injected motors run the 160.
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no. do you prefer the 143?
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164 degree, is it fuel injected?
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I guess it also could be temp gauge, but that's been fine up to now.
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Yes, I figured this was so. I'm sure there's a tstat. I put in 164 degree T stat a few years ago. It may be open all the time...I've got a new one ordered. Any other instruction?
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

Even during/after skiing you never went above 125? Now we have another problem!

Yes, you need to check out the T stat if there's even one on the engine?!!


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Even during/after skiing you never went above 125? Now we have another problem!
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installed new rwp today. Wallah. Not only is it sucking the bucket dry fast (about 30 seconds at 800rpm), I took it to the water and ran it and it never went above 125F. manifolds and risers were warm, but not hot at all.

Apparently when I re-tapped the bolt holes on this pump, it's been sucking air ever since. Only in the last year did I really notice the temp jump, but good grief, my risers have never been this cool (Of course I'm usually running in 90 degree water instead of today's 50 degrees, but still!).

Since we were out there, I pulled my 19 year old on a quick run. Nothing better than a January pull.

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Originally posted by The Dude The Dude wrote:

correct 63. Not plumbed to engine...clear hose about 1 foot out of outlet from pump...not connected to thermostat housing. So manifold pressure was not an issue.

Jbear, you are definitely an old timer. However, since you can still barefoot, you are exempted from the title.


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correct 63. Not plumbed to engine...clear hose about 1 foot out of outlet from pump...not connected to thermostat housing. So manifold pressure was not an issue.

Jbear, you are definitely an old timer. However, since you can still barefoot, you are exempted from the title.
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Originally posted by The Dude The Dude wrote:

OK. Bucket test with clear hose on both intake and output. Running at idle the 5 gallons empty in 90 seconds. There are bubbles in the outflow, but they aren't consistent--some bubbles, then no bubbles, then bubbles again. I made new gasket on the pump side of the brass cover plate and feel confident in the Oring seal. It's just not pumping enough water.

Was the outlet running open into the bilge, not still plumbed into the engine?
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Originally posted by The Dude The Dude wrote:

I love it when I'm not on here for several months, but one post gets responses from old timers like Gary, Tim, and Kevin.   


Finally..not included in the 'old-timers'...altho I bet you did not mean age!
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So Tim D, does this cam look worn? If it's supposed to be like the one on the left that you posted, then this certainly could be the problem, eh?

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OK. Bucket test with clear hose on both intake and output. Running at idle the 5 gallons empty in 90 seconds. There are bubbles in the outflow, but they aren't consistent--some bubbles, then no bubbles, then bubbles again. I made new gasket on the pump side of the brass cover plate and feel confident in the Oring seal. It's just not pumping enough water.
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Once the temp comes up to where the thermostat opens it will drain fairly quickly

That statement is wrong, the RWP will pump the same amount of water regardless if the t-stat is open or closed.

My GT40 will empty a 5 gallon bucket in about 12 seconds. If you don't have any air leaks and still runs hot at idle, it could be the cam is worn down too small inside the pump.

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I love it when I'm not on here for several months, but one post gets responses from old timers like Gary, Tim, and Kevin.

I may not get back to this until Sunday now (Irish playing tomorrow and I have to go to a frickin wedding). I did the bucket test with just the intake hose to the pump put directly in the bucket, but I haven't taken the outlet hose off for any test yet. Will do that like HW said and probably get clear hose to see if I can see bubbles.
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

And we still don't even know how exactly fast a good one empties a bucket...

I feel stupid - I've watched it enough times to know what it should look like, but can't wrap my mind around how long it actually takes to empty. I guessed at 30 seconds, think it might even be less.
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And we still don't even know how exactly fast a good one empties a bucket...
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I would think too that a pump would have to be in pretty bad shape for it not to be able to be repaired. If the oring is not working you could go old school and make a gasket. Paper ones are used in some Jabsco's,I have made ones out of a business envelope since new ones are 12-15 bucks a pop. You need to use thin ones since you don't want to increase the end clearance of the impeller to the cover plate.
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Yeah, I'm usually on top though and then do like 19 edits.

Point being, you can do more free/cheap tests before paying $400 for a new pump. Swapping in a known good one is a always a great idea too.
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I guess we have good timing Kevin.
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Run a RWP intake hose straight into the bucket. Go buy some clear vinyl tubing for IN and OUT, this way you'll probably see bubbles coming out if the pump itself is sucking any.
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Maybe pick up a new length of hose and connect it directly to the pump, other end in the bucket, which eliminates old hoses/barbs/strainer/cooler from the intake side of the pump. If the bucket still empties slow, you know it's the pump. The new hose can be used to replace all the old intake ones once you figure things out.

Not sure if you followed Hollywood's suggestion, also disconnect the pump outlet so there's no chance that manifold back-pressure is defeating the pump. Leave it off for all the above tests.

At this point you should consider finding another CCF member's boat storage location and just steal their pump and replace with yours.
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