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leetudor
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I think my car fuel pump was asked about not marine.
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Orlando76
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Isn't PCM's external? I'm not certain. I know 4 of the 5 on Yamaha HPDI's are external. Mercury too. Honda too. I assume Jo-suzki as well.
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8122pbrainard
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Lee, I too am confused. You need to do some research on fuel pumps! They all are not in the tank!! Think marine too! Use Todd's link and read. |
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leetudor
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A sealed pump mounted in the fuel so it should not spark. |
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Orlando76
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leetudor
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Not too sure I would use an electric pump for fuel. |
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Treybizttu
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I used a strainer to put a couple gals in my wife's car and my truck last night and filled up on my way in to the office. I'll do that a few times to get rid of the fuel.
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Orlando76
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I wouldn't worry about dumping the fuel in the auto. I would use a filter funnel to catch loose particles. I wouldn't bett life on it but it definitely helps. I use it every time I fill up.
Mrfunnel.com Sorry to inconvenient everyone with improper link. Also throw that hand pump away and buy a generic electric fuel pump (~$36) and hook it to the fuel line going to engine. Also hook an inline fuel filter to it so that's another line of defense. |
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Dreaming
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I made this mistake and cost myself a fuel pump in the car... mine had flakes in it that plugged up the fuel filter in the car, back pressure took out the pump. Make sure you strain the gas before you put it in, and be cautious about how bad the gas really is. If you do use the old fuel, mix about a 1/4 tank of old gas at a time
I like Borax (laundry aisle at the grocery store) or Boraxo hand soap for taking the smell out. Works great on grease, and odors, and in your laundry when you have oily clothes. My wife has a sensitive nose too |
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Treybizttu
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Gave myself a gas bath last night... Bought a harbor freight hand pump and pumped about 12 stinking gallons out and into 3 of my 5 gallon tanks. I will spread it around to the cars in little bits mixed with almost full tanks of good gas. It didn't really look/smell as bad as I thought it would. I did manage to pop one of the stupid pump hoses off mid-stroke and cover myself in petrol. Took a shower and the wife said I still smelled like gas.
My buddy that is helping me with the motor got his hoist and stand from the race shop last night so it should be a bare bildge after I get home sunday. Question about hoses: The ballast hoses were exposed to the elements in places and have basically disintegrated. The Bilge hoses were a little more covered up and look to be okay. - If I'm buying that hose in bulk should I just replace both the ballast and bilge hoses? - I know I need to measure to verify but both the bilge and ballast hoses look like the same ID/OD... Is this what I need? http://www.nautiqueparts.com/hoseballastpump-black-1-18inchinsidediameter-soldbythefoot-seecautiononnotes.aspx |
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Treybizttu
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Thanks! I should have the block out and to my machine shop early next week so I will know better what I'm going to need.
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malibud
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I just read through your project. I did the same thing last year about the only way I can afford a modern gt40 boat. I still have the internals from my old engine (replaced a cracked block engine with used) so if you need cam, crank, pistons, heads etc. Let me know. I had the machine shop disassemble so everything is clean. good luck looking forward to seeing your progress...
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Treybizttu
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I wouldn't have even thought to pressure wash the carpet honestly. The plan is to yank the bottom end, trans, and fuel tank on sunday after I get back from the lakehouse. It will be mostly empty from the driver seat back so I will do just that. I actually just made myself a note to snag the pressure washer before I head home sunday.
I need to take pictures of my garage one day when I get home so you guys can share in the disaster. Everything is OCD labeled and in boxes but there is pretty much an entire boat worth of parts and pieces taking up one whole side of our little two car garage. I'll snap one for historical sake before I bring the rest of the interior up to my office. |
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Dreaming
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NOw that you have everything cleared out, a pressure washer on the carpet and bilge work wonders... a little degreaser goes a long way, just make sure to not squirt any electrical components, and rinse until the soap is gone. my carpet looked worse than that, and came out clean as a whistle :)
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skutsch
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That looks like the same mounting connection for my High Fly board racks, the racks have square that goes over the square in the picture and you drop a pin through. Could also be a boom mount (that was my first thought), but I thought all the tower boom mount connectors wrapped around the tower legs. |
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Treybizttu
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jbear
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I have absolutely no idea what you guys are talking about here but.. I probably driven 100 of these 200 hours on this rebuild and I gotta agree....awesome. john sure wish I knew how to do multiple quotes like you smart guys. |
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"Loud pipes save lives"
AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
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jbear
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F12 doesn't work for me neither... john |
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"Loud pipes save lives"
AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
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jbear
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I will defer to Mr Orlando... john |
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"Loud pipes save lives"
AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
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Treybizttu
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Haha, I like it.
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leetudor
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Put the trailer on a roll back wrecker then put in the warehouse.
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Treybizttu
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Great! Thank you... It will make it much easier for the time being to work in there without the tank present.
The tank will be stored in the warehouse at my office that probably won't get above 80* or less than 60* ever so I felt like it was a good environment. I wish I could just leave the whole boat in there to work but we don't have a ramp just loading docks. Doors are even tall enough leave the tower up |
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8122pbrainard
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Trey,
Drain it now. The tank is polyethylene and will not get brittle. |
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Treybizttu
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So yesterday I unhooked all the fuel tank lines and moved it up to pull the factory ballast tanks. More than a few folks talked me into separate bags for the back. The fuel tank probably has 6-8 gallons in it that have presumably been in there for a few years. I will eventually need to suck it all out and replace but that lead me to a question. It's probably going to be a few months before I am ready to fill it back up.....
Should I leave the gas in it until I'm ready or go ahead and "drain" it? For some reason in my paranoid head I have this notion that the tank would dry out and get brittle when empty. But, I would like some imput on the matter. |
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TX Foilhead
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Roger built an almost exact copies of GT40's for his Bayliner, the only difference was the ignition was a little different and he didn't use the fuel control cell. I'm working on some Megasquirt stuff, but I don't know when I'll have time wrap it up, been having a good time playing in the neighbors new to him 216V this fall.
Lewy is working on a GT40 with a Megasquirt computer and there was a guy this summer on PN who had someone tune his rebuilt GT40 after he bored it too much for the factory computer to handle the changes. There are Mustang guys who can break into the PCM computer. From what I understand it is not hard to modify with some of the newer tuning software but Ford doesn't have it layed out in a easy to understand way so it's not something you want to try if your not really familiar with fuel injection tuning. |
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gun-driver
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Trey
I have a cam and lifters that came out of my '95 GT-40 at about the 475 hour mark if your interested. |
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backfoot100
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Tim,
Excellent point on the reverse rotation dollars vs. standard. Big difference there that I never thought of. We're definitely on the same page with all your other points. |
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When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded.
Eddie |
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Treybizttu
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Joe,
I'm guessing that I would need a cam just based on what the rest of this thing looks like. This poor boat and motor have seen some serious use and neglect. I just figured a fresh new cam was a good plan as opposed to a regrind. I will see if I can dig up the specs. |
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TRBenj
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Eddie, a few clarifications...
- The $400-500 I quoted was the cost of the tie bar roller lifters if a roller block couldn't be found easily. This is not to be confused with the total cost of upgrading to a roller cam. - The only thing that roller cams/lifters and roller rockers have in common is the fact that both have "roller" in their name. 2 mutually exclusive upgrades that have nothing to do with one another... Other than the fact that they're both kinda spendy and make more power! - A roller cam retrofit can absolutely be expensive. I'll add valve springs to the list as well. Valve covers aren't needed, that's a roller rocker issue (see point above). We spent about $2k all said and done on ours, we would have been closer to your $1200 mark if we had a lefty like yours. - Excellent point in the break in... We had a few minor issues (fuel, cooling) getting our engine together both times we had it apart, just like you. Flat tappet got wiped, roller didn't. Not having to pull the engine out and cleaning metal bits out of the oil pan (again) were worth the upgrade cost alone! - Performance improvement is very real... When we added the roller, we changed little else (just the exhaust manifolds iirc). We saw a reliable 3-4mph gain, which is enormous. Powerband is wider too. Cam specs are totally different of course, but that's one of the things a roller buys you- the steeper ramp rates buy a lot. Joes points are spot on. None of this really applied to the OP for reasons stated previously. |
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