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63 Skier
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Posted: May-19-2015 at 12:33pm |
Hang in there Brock, these things are aggravating but it just takes some time and sequence of steps to get it all figured out.
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'63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique
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Brock42
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Aight I will try and check spark and timing this afternoon and get back to yall. Thanks for the help. I just want to get this thing going.
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ezim
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Had this issue with '90 SN during heavy fuel demand. Check the filters/screens coming out of the gas tank at the top of the pick up tube. Inside the tubing there are screens that get clogged that inhibit fuel flow.
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63 Skier
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Might be interesting to pull a spark plug, re-attach the plug wire, and while grounding the plug crank the engine and take a look at the spark, should be a bright fat spark. Hold the plug with a rag wrapped around it or insulated fuse puller to avoid getting zapped. Did you ever check timing, both initial and total? It seems to me you have a few different problems going on at once, maybe related, maybe not. 1) took 15 minutes to start up cold after you changed out cap and rotor (but, the next morning you say it fired right up cold, so not sure on that one) 2) won't start up after sitting an hour 3) won't run at WOT Timing can affect running at any speed, and startup. It's the easiest problem to find or eliminate with a timing light, might explain your WOT problem. You ask about fuel delivery, but if your boat ran for 3 hours and ran perfectly at 30-35 mph for an extended time I tend to think your fuel delivery is OK and would keep working on ignition. I'm not knowledgeable enough on electronic ignition to know if that voltage drop is keeping you from starting, but I somewhat doubt it. That's why I'd like to see you get a visual on the spark while cranking, if you've got a good hot spark you can probably ignore the coil/voltage and move on to other things. |
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Brock42
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Ok I was just wondering if this could be my problem with it not wanting to start when cold. If my accelerator pump is squirting gas should it fire up when it's cold.
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SNobsessed
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Ohms law in action here.
When the + side of coil is hooked up to the resistor, but - side is unhooked, the - terminal is seeing full 12V because there is no current flow. (think of your faucet with the valve closed). When you hook up the distributor, then there is current flow & the resistor will drop out some voltage (V=IR). Nothing seems wrong to me. |
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Brock42
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I'm checking my voltage to the coil and am getting 12 volts but when I hook the purple wore back up from from the dist the voltage drops back to 10.
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Brock42
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Wiring is hooked up correct but I don't understand the voltage drop when the purple wire from dist is hooked to coil
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8122pbrainard
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Since you aren't that clear on where you are testing the voltage, nor stating what drop you are reading, I'm going to guess somewhat. The drop is from the resistance of the primary winding in the coil. What are you looking for??? |
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8122pbrainard
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Brock42
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I got the volt meter back out and traced my wires all the way to the coil and I have 12 volts when I plug the purple wire from the distributor back to coil the volts drop back down to 10 what could cause this. Something with the dist causing the volts to drop at the coil.
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Brock42
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I could be wrong but I don't think I have the points resistor setup. It's a 98 pro boss carb.
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TRBenj
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Alt vs batt voltage, your numbers look ok for a points/resistor set up.
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Brock42
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What would be the reason for the voltage drop.
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Orlando76
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Jump the coil with 12v from accessory side of solenoid.
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Brock42
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Recent update. I replaced coil, cap, rotor, and fuel water separator also drained tank and put fresh gas in. Took it to the lake yesterday and it took like 15 min to get it cranked. Finally got it started and ran the boat for 3 hours. Still won't hit wot but at cruising speed say 30 to 35 the boat runs great. I tried to start the boat this morning and it fired up no problem and the coil was measuring a full 12 volts and it started fine. Went back about a hour later and the coil was measuring 10 volts and while I was cranking it would drop to 8 and the boat would never fire up. Do I have a electrical issue or a fuel delivery problem and where to start thanks for any help.
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Brock42
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I'm assuming the ignition system has not been changed I thought the 98 model had the protec system whuch I was wrong so it looks to be the original equipment on there.
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8122pbrainard
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Since it was stated the ignition system was changed, we have no idea whats inside!! Also, we have exchanged many PM's and in one a set of contacts inside the distributor was mentioned! |
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Brock42
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No clue guess to much reading and research I guess. I just ordered a new cap and roder, fuel filter, coil hope this will help my problem. Another question I pulled off my coil and measured the primary and secondary resistance the secondary is within the rated specs however the primary I am getting a 0.0 reading on the meter would this have anything to do with some of the problem
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Hollywood
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No Protec there. Where did you even get the idea there was? New cap and rotor you should be in business. Then maybe coil and plug wires.
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Doubt there is points as Pete mentioned and also would question it being a Pro-Boss motor protech conversion. Get some pics of the motor, likely electronic ignition so new plugs, cap & rotor "should" be all that is needed for a tune-up, include wires if they look bad or ends are worn
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63 Skier
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Brock, I'm a bit confused. You said it's a '98, I didn't think they were making the Protec in the late '90's. While you could have both a fuel and ignition problem, I'd concentrate on ignition for now. It ran fine until WOT, which Tony is right could be a fuel problem, but then the re-start problem points more toward ignition.
I think you could easily tackle the ignition with just a little bit of help from here, it's really simple. The only thing you need to get your hands on is a timing light, one that measures initial and total timing, any mechanic will have one. Whatever you decide to do let us know how it turns out! |
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Brock42
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Ok i will have to take it to a dealer to do all that I don't think I'm that mechanically inclined.
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8122pbrainard
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Brock,
I suggest doing a complete ignition tune up beyond changing spark plugs. You will need distributor cap, rotor, point set and condenser. A feller gauge, timing light and dwell meter will also be needed. It's pretty simple and there are great tutorials on line. |
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Brock42
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I pulled the dist cap off and noticed some corrosion on what would be the contacts I guess. And on the contact surface there was a powdery like substance built up
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8122pbrainard
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Could you be more specific? On the point contact faces? |
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Brock42
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Just got the boat home and tried to crank it again and It wouldn't do anything I pulled the dist cap off and it is what looked like a coat of corrosion cleaned it off and it fired up instantly. Could that have been a problem or just luck.
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Brock42
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Got it out on the lake today had a lil trouble starting off the trailer but didn't take to long fired it up it idled fine took off and it ran fine until I hit wide open throttle and it skipped and popped for a split sec it will run at wot but doesn't sound like its opening all the way up so I throttled back down till about 3/4 throttle and cruised around for about 30 min did fine at 3/4 throttle. I stopped several times and tried to restart it and it fires up immediately. Ride back to the dock and sat for about 20 min and before I loaded it up I was going to take it for another spin and I wouldn't crank sat there and spun over until the battery went dead. It has a accel coil on it. And the temp never went over 140
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