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300 lbs for the big block sounds about right. Should put the boat in the 2600-2800 lb range, I'm sure the number listed in the brochure was with the small block.
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My guess on a list that hard is :   the boat was stolen, joy rode, left for dead half sunk for several months.
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Hey guys - Can't thank you enough for all the insights and interest.. Its at my cottage and will post some pics on Saturday so stay tuned.

To answer some of the questions

1. The boat list when nobody is in the boat, when i stand on the far port side it will push it pass level. So i am guessing there is anywhere from ~150-200 pounds of weight on the starboard side

2. Weight of the Boat - I believe the total weight of the boat + python is just under 3000 pounds. Not an exact number put gives you a point of reference. I believe the python adds an additional 300 pounds to the boat.
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Does anyone know the weight of a 99SN with a python? I don't think it's in the manual/brochure..
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Originally posted by 74Wind 74Wind wrote:

Nice photo. Have been on Jimsport93 boat, have always liked the sloped transom on those.


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Guess I missed it but which side sits low? Is it 6" low on one side and 6" high on other side=12" or is it 12" low on one side 12" high on the other =24" over all? Surely if it was stored wrong, say driver side low and water accumulated + 200 lb driver no doubt it'll sit 6" low on one side.
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Originally posted by backfoot100 backfoot100 wrote:

I hate to be the one going against the grain here. but think this through guys......

1) I can't imagine that the foam could possibly be wet on just side. It's all wet or it's not.




On a composite boat you absolutely could only have water on one side, it would be at least as likely as having water on both sides. Without pictures here though we are all just guessing.
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Can't wait to see the pictures, this should be a good one.
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I hate to be the one going against the grain here. but think this through guys......

1) I can't imagine that the foam could possibly be wet on just side. It's all wet or it's not.

2) We've all seen completely soaked foam removed from these boats before that totaled maybe 400-500 lbs. NO WAY will 400-500lbs. of wet foam list a boat by a foot.

3) Like Steve stated, 800# fat sacs on one side of the boat barely gets it to list at all.

Something else is dramatically wrong here. Post some pics.

When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded.



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Take a straight edge that's 7 ft. long at least (length of electric conduit comes to mind, or maybe composite decking board held on edge), with the boat at rest in completely calm water lay that edge across the gunwales, then put a level on it. Gently lift one end of the level to center the bubble to see how much list there really is. If you measure the space that ends up under the end of the level once the bubble is centered, and know the length of the level, you know it's 1/4" in 12" or 7/8" in 36" or something like that. Just seems worth the effort to really know what we are talking about for list.

Kind of has to be water/foam. I can't think of any other factor that would cause it. My '98 Sport doesn't list, and I ski a lot in a '98 Ski with 351 that I've never noticed any list in.
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Nice photo. Have been on Jimsport93 boat, have always liked the sloped transom on those.

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Our '92 sits pretty level. My wife, dog, and probably another 100lbs of crap are in the boat and she looks nice and level to me.






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Like someone said above, weigh it, this will tell you if it's the foam
am sure you know how but just in case it helps: If you've got a truck stop or scrap metal place nearby go weigh it with the boat on the trailer. Then launch the boat and go back and weigh the trailer. Subtract trailer weight from total loaded weight and compare with what it should weigh, or at least what it shoulda been when it was new
. Proper weight should be in the Reference section here, if not, somebody on here's gotta know
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Basically the took off the back floorboard and looked in the bilge at the stringers. As the are composite they saw nothing amiss. But they didn't inspect the foam - that job would have involved a lot of work and time and would have left the boat with new carpet. Water in the foam is the likely culprit, iirc there are tube on that side that if the boat typically sat around with a full bilge of water would certainly allow someone water to work it's way to the foam. Alternatively the engine would be off because the strut had been bent and they changed the engine position to along the shaft to the resulting strut location.
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Thanks 74Wind, good advice i could be over clubbing the list but it is certainly noticeable. It is from a very reputable dealer but its a 16 year old boat, so i will assume the risk. They simply checked to make sure they weren't going to sell me a boat that would sink.

its a weird one.   I honestly don't believe its a water issue, this boat was boathouse kept on a lift, well used, but well taken care of. Something is throwing it off.    
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Not sure what freeboard is on that model but gotta think a 1 foot list would be like a third of it? Yikes.

Really not trying to sound rude, if I follow correctly, you water tested it and noticed the severe list, and still bought it? Caveat Emptor I'm sure, but if it's a reputable dealer perhaps you might explore some possible recourse if it's a real recent purchase.



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i will swap your 08 sport Nautique boat for my listing 99 python and you wake surf all day all night
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Did he say a FOOT of list??? Like waterline is 6" low on the port side and 6" high on the starboard, or literally seeing the starboard side 12" lower in the water?

Cripes, I can't even weight (for surfing) my Sport to sink one side 12 inches... That's with 800 lbs on one side, so we are talking some SERIOUS water soaked foam!

Definitely need pictures of this...
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Just to be clear, before i purchased the boat i brought up the list as an issue. They dealer would have it inspected to ensure they were not selling me a bad boat.

The technician " removed the floor boards and checked the stringers, no issues were found, no water"....and then they provided me with the explanation.

After reading the posts, i am no longer taking anything at face value from what the dealer said and start questioning everything for i can personally cross it off my POE list.

1. Engine Alignment

2. Cell foam Water logged - how do i check for that ?

The battery is not in the middle in this boat and it is in its proper place.
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Have you weighed the boat and trailer??? should solve some of the obvious.
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I will post some pics on the weekend
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Oh and agreed- the engine needs to be aligned to the log and strut- not tailor able for any other reason.
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What? I thought you had that checked?
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I had a technician go through the boat rip up the floorboards and check the stringers, water, etc.. Everything a okay so no issue “under the hood”.

I don't know what that means as there are no "floor boards"... Just glass over foam. Did he or did he not dissect the boat and inspect for water weight?
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Originally posted by T_bone19 T_bone19 wrote:


This is a possible and logical explanation, is it a lot of work to re-center an engine.

Could my cell foam be water logged ?



You can't really re-center it. That's just how the hull/motor/stringers/log/strut line up on that particular layup.

Could the foam be water logged? Hell yes. (I thought you had checked that?)

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It looks centered when you look at it, but i would to measure to get the exact numbers.

This is a possible and logical explanation, is it a lot of work to re-center an engine.

Could my cell foam be water logged ?

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1' lean, wth? Battery should be in the center of the boat. Better get us some pics.

I agree with Joel- slight lean may be due to engine placement but driver's helm shouldn't be a huge influence.
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When you look at the motor on the motor mounts, how centered is it? That's what, 1200 pounds sitting in the middle of that boat and the hulls are made by hand. If the engine is off to the right side on the mounts (they allow for a direct sliding left or right adjustment to the motor position) even an inch or so I'd imagine that might cause a list. I've seen motors way off to the left or right adjustments on these boats.

Also, I don't buy the helm causing any list. The passenger/spotter seat and hinge assembly as well as the heavy "cutting board" glovebox cover and glovebox internal fiberglass (looks like another whole mold of fiberglass on that particular glovebox) has to counter out the "helm" weight if any. The dash weighs nothing, really. Every comp boat I've seen in general is level at rest.
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1.. The list is much more pronounced at Rest, approx. 1 foot lean to it

2. THe battery is on the left under the passenger seat

3. You can feel the weight when standing in the boat and to me you can really feel it in the middle and at the rear/stern of the boat.

THe list is abnormal and if scootydog has the same boat then there is my first fact, the list is abnormal

Still trying to find a explanation as to why ? Any ideas
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nothing abnormal on mine -- have you ridden in a different correct craft/inboard to see if it's abnormal? the smaller the boat, the bigger difference a person in the driver seat would matter...with nobody in the boat, does it sit level? If not, post a picture.
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Does it lean when under power, or only at idle?

Where is the battery on that boat?

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