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Originally posted by C-Bass C-Bass wrote:

Does anyone have a picture of the brackets you're looking for. I have a pair that don't match the split windshield, but I think might be for the single piece.


Craig this is the best photo I have right now, the brackets in the photo are broken so I do need a pair if yours match I'll take em.

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Originally posted by ScottZ ScottZ wrote:

I have located the windshield. It does not have the brackets or the gasket. I will be happy to donate it to the cause. In the meantime I will look around to see if I can locate some brackets.


thanks Scott, I knew you'd come through. No big hurry to get it here so I'll be in touch to see if maybe we can get it to a reunion in the near future so I can pick it up. Probably a bit of a pain to box up and ship.
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I'm confused which windshield and brackets are in question... Single pane plexi or dual pane glass? I thought you were searching for the latter, Alan?
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

I'm confused which windshield and brackets are in question... Single pane plexi or dual pane glass? I thought you were searching for the latter, Alan?


single pane plexi windshield is going back on
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ScottZ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-03-2016 at 9:05pm
I can post a picture of what the brackets look like. I have a 64 ski Nautique with the one piece plexi windshield.
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Those brackets in your picture look more like the brackets for my dual-pane glass windshield. The set I have are shorter than those. I can't seem to find a picture of them. I'll have to dig them out at home and get one.
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Scott, if you're coming to Atl or somewheres close too before the 13th I can get the windshield from you and hand deliver it to Alan at the River Ruckus. Better yet......Get it to LaGrange and Jackie can bring it with him as he's headed there too.
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Tim's a sand panda you're not going with 2 piece glass.
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The two piece glass is pretty good looking you have to admit
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And it's what it had on it originally...
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I don't really have a preference on the windshields... I like them both. I think my '67 with the single plane is a fine looking boat. My vote would be to put whatever was original back on. If you're not sure which was original, then you can't go wrong either way.

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After Alan posted he was going one piece, I went bad and looked at the pictures. It does look like it did have the two piece originally and confirmed with the filled holes Alan found in the deck. Even though I'm the original guy, in this case I don't feel the one piece will do any harm. Alan just needs to destroy that one picture showing the two piece!    


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Pete just found the solution to the windshield dilemma...

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I don't know if it checks out our not, but stumbled accross what is supposed to be a 312 Y block on Ebay today.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORD-Y-BLOCK-312-interceptor-ENGINE-complete-marine-with-transmission-transom-/201530973707?hash=item2eec2e9e0b:g:HmcAAOSwJb9WtAmb&vxp=mtr
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Alan the windshield is being brought to you at the River Ruckus by Jackie Deen. I hope it will help you of with the project!
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Originally posted by ScottZ ScottZ wrote:

Alan the windshield is being brought to you at the River Ruckus by Jackie Deen. I hope it will help you of with the project!


I'd like to get some measurements off the windshield while we are at the river. Jackie, please look me up if I don't happen to see you. Thanks!
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Hello, been away a bit...
Have rejected several 312, but have what I think is a worthy candidate. The biggest issue is porosity through the cylinder walls. (and into the water jackets). Since most boats don't use anti-freeze (which also inhibits rust), and boat owners often 'forget' to drain the blocks for winter, the automotive blocks seem to be in better shape, all other things the same.
As for rotation, I believe the standard rotation (counter-clockwise when viewed from astern) is the direction we are going. This is helpful in a couple key area 1) The rear main seals are directional, unless using rope. Also, the direction-specific cam was gear-driven on rr engines, then there is the starter, etc.
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I have always planned to put a standard rotation (left hand prop) motor in the boat.
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Originally posted by 81nautique 81nautique wrote:

I have always planned to put a standard rotation (left hand prop) motor in the boat.

Will that be a problem if you intend to use the Velvet Drive that came off my spare RR engine? I planned on running up north and getting it as soon as I get back from Seattle on the 30th.
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Originally posted by john b john b wrote:

Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

Originally posted by 81nautique 81nautique wrote:

I have always planned to put a standard rotation (left hand prop) motor in the boat.

Will that be a problem if you intend to use the Velvet Drive that came off my spare RR engine? I planned on running up north and getting it as soon as I get back from Seattle on the 30th.

No, the Velvets will run ether direction. All that's needed is indexing the fluid pump on the forward end of the trans. Indexing changes the suction port position to the pumps impeller/gear. (its a gear type pump) so the fluid is ported to the suction side of the impeller/gear.


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Wow. Amazing find. This is essentially the trump card for all future SN or CC conversations.

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Alan maybe junk but this is not too far from Tamworth. If there is anything there worth saving let me know.

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This is amazing. Can't wait to see how it turns out.
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Great read.Thanks for posting this story and journey thru CC history.
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Hey gang, No progress to report on the boat but I had the pleasure of exchanging emails with Leo last week, He came across a magazine article with some more early inboard history that is an interesting read so I thought I'd post it. Hopefully it's all legible and I have it in the right order!











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Great article thanks for sharing.

Art spoke about a lot of this at this year's St. John's river run. I was amazed at the stories he was telling. He spoke about working at Mr. Shirley's Ski School and one day the Nautique was taken apart and Mr. Shirley wanted Art's help to make it into a different kind of boat. That was the first Master Craft.

Very cool history lesson.

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Great article Alan. Enjoyed reading it. Interesting the age old contrast between ski tractors and having to have a boat like the new GS200. Saw someone complain about CC introducing a new 100,000 boat and why don't they make a more basic less expensive one. Cranky respondents said, if you don't want a good boat, don't buy a CC. That wasn't the point tho. The point is make a high quality boat, without all the bells and whistles, features, speakers and goofy graphics. At least that's what I took the OPs comment to mean. As little following as 3 event has any more tho, I guess that is probably not economically viable.

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