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Making the molds to cast the Monothane would be more work than replacing the stringers! One thing I found out, is the molds need to be air tight. Next is the strength. Have you looked at any of the statistics? Compare it to Douglas Fir.

I don't feel a chop system is the way to go. To get the same strength out of it, I understand you need twice the build thickness compared to fiberglass cloths. It's the way cheap boats are made!!!

Graeme, "bite the bullet" and do a traditional job on the stringers.


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by gmars70970 gmars70970 wrote:

Another question........ I can get my hands on Monothane SA90A Resin. I was thinking of making the extra floor supports i'll need from this. Anybody any experience of using this instead of wood?

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I couldn't find much info on the Monothane except it's a Dow product and looks like the product line is used for casting parts. It also looks like heat is required for curing? I suggest sticking with the epoxies, polyesters and polyvinyls for marine use.


I was thinking of making templates up, 2" wide and getting the monothane poured and cured in the ovens at work. Then just fitting into place. I couldn't find much information on a life span etc tho.
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I'm also going to speak nicely to the manager at work.

A section in the factory has a fibreglass spray m/c. Wondering if I replace the stringers then wheel the boat into work and get the full inside sprayed. Would save a lot of labour!

The m/c is the same as this:
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Originally posted by gmars70970 gmars70970 wrote:

Another question........ I can get my hands on Monothane SA90A Resin. I was thinking of making the extra floor supports i'll need from this. Anybody any experience of using this instead of wood?

Graeme,
I couldn't find much info on the Monothane except it's a Dow product and looks like the product line is used for casting parts. It also looks like heat is required for curing? I suggest sticking with the epoxies, polyesters and polyvinyls for marine use.


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UK1979 Your a star mate!

I'm going to try to lift the engine out in the next fortnight. (busy with boxing championships right now)

Once I get the engine out it might be easier to see just exactly what is required. Some clown has attempted a poor patch repair under the passenger seat stringer. So i've removed the old repair and got a small heater running in the garage to take the chill out the air.

Another question........ I can get my hands on Monothane SA90A Resin. I was thinking of making the extra floor supports i'll need from this. Anybody any experience of using this instead of wood?
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If you won’t to ski this year a patch repair is the way forward unless you have lots of spare time between now and spring.
Here in the UK we have some options not readily available in the USA for stringers.
If you go-ahead on a complete rebuild and the old stringers are no good as patterns my cad drawings may help on pre cradle Gen 2 SN bottom of the page, the hull shape is the same just adjust the top of the stringers to your shape with cradle.
The cad drawing can be plotted out full size for a paper templates as some have done.
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Originally posted by gmars70970 gmars70970 wrote:

I've now found a rotten section on one stringer 😢

Unless I can patch in a repair section it looks like I'll need to get the engine lifted out and do a full stringer job.
Are there any standard drawings for a 1980 stringer or are all stringers different?


Not sure if someone on this site has any CAD renderings of the stringers for your boat, but I know many have used the old stringers as templates for new so long as the old ones were in good enough shape after removing them.

Post some pics of the rot if you can.


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I've now found a rotten section on one stringer 😢

Unless I can patch in a repair section it looks like I'll need to get the engine lifted out and do a full stringer job.
Are there any standard drawings for a 1980 stringer or are all stringers different?
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I'm really surprised how good the wood is. I thought it would have been really rotten in a 35yr old boat !
Possibly being a UK boat it hasn't spent as long in the water over the years due to our poor weather. The only rotten wood was the plywood under the single seat.

Woodwork is not my strong point, metal I'm fine with but wood not so much.
Is there a simple way (idiots guide) to make templates for the wooden strengthening batons from stringer to the sides of hull if I decide to go with no foam?
Am I possibly better (easier) just replacing the foam with new foam and rebuilding the boat as it was originally ?


SORRY FOR LAST PART, Currently reading previous posts on the Foam v No Foam debate
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Graeme,
You may find all the wood to be good just very wet, if it’s been used in sea water or brackish water for some time the salt would stop wood rotting, One of mine was the same floor was gone from rain water but stringer system all good just very wet.

Good luck with it Roger.
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No turning back now!
The wood has all solid so far.


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No, the foam doesn't need to be replaced. Many have gone with no foam boats however, since the foam provided support for the floor, you would need to go heavier than what CC did. 5/8" (you can convert it! ) ply is common.


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Ok, sounds like a plan to me.

I'll remove the rest of the foam today and tomorrow and see what the situation is from there.

Novice question........ probably been asked a thousand times........... does the foam need to be replaced ?
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Graeme,
I happen to agree with Tim.


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You've already got the floor up and I know that its not a fun job but if it were my boat I'd start removing ALL the foam so as to inspect the entire stringer system. A dry wall saw will cut thru it quickly. Why button it all up now and come back 2 years from now to start over again?
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I removed the foam from under the drivers seat area this morning as this was the worst bit of flooring on initial look.

The top 1/2" - 1" was wet, but the rest of the foam is totally dry. I think i'll just recover everything In fibreglass and put a thin sheet of flooring over the whole floor, seal it all up and get another few seasons out the boat.

Does this sound like a good idea?





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Take a hand saw or drywall saw and cut down to the hull against the stringer and remove a slug of foam approx 8 X 12 in a couple spots for an autopsy.
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Thanks for the advice, I'll start digging the foam out tomorrow morning. Tried to hammer a screw driver into the wooden beams but their absolutely solid !

I cut about 1" from the top of the foam and it seems pretty dry, just trying to fool myself into believing there's no disasters ahead.
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Dig deeper. I just went thru the same scenario with my Mustang. Some water soaked foam on top BUT the major water and damage was against the hull. If I went this far I would at least take the foam up that contacts the main stringers and inspect that area. I think you will find more damage than you have.    Also check around the front lift ring bracket. I posted this week the hidden damage mine had.
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I lifted the fibre glass covering from the foam today. Not as bad as what I was expecting to be honest. The worst bit was the wooden sheet below the seats. I tried to push a screw driver into the wooden spars/supports but they were solid, wet....... but solid.









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I've finally put it off for as long as possible, it's time to remove the foam and stringers.
Really really really not looking forward to this.
Removed the seats & carpets this morning, time to dig into the foam and see what sort of mess is down there.
I'll post some pictures of what I find later 😢
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