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    Posted: April-22-2017 at 1:05am
All, let's be careful and check all electrical connections near any water source. Be safe and happy 2017 boating season !


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/parents-warn-about-electric-shock-drowning-after-15-year-old-girls-tragic-death/
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Sad. As an electrical contractor there is one thing I will not cut corners on and I go above and beyond the codes requirements and that's GFIC protection. I am GFIC's biggest advocate, it only takes 1/10 of an amp to kill you. GFIC works, it saves lives and the nuisance tripping no longer exists, if they trip, it's doing its job, find the the fault and fix it, I rarely ever get involved with houses but found myself doing two custom lakefront homes this year and if a GFCI receptacle was required I went ahead and put a GFCI breaker on that circuit and protected the entire circuit not just the point of use.

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Originally posted by Orlando76 Orlando76 wrote:

Another thing, aluminum ladders..... No reason for them, throw them away. They create multiple hazards and conducting electricity is the my main concern.
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Conductive ladders aren't a concern when 90% of existing and new piers are aluminum! Yes on ground fault protection.


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I was looking at my shore power which has GFIC breaker in main panel, GFIC outlet at pole near the water and GFIC on the plug that plugs into the pump for the lift. I realize in this case there is never overkill, but the question I have, is this correct?
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Bill,
You have the power down there covered! There are inexpensive testers that you plug in to trip the ground fault. You may want to get one to make sure your GFI's work.


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Thanks. I did the test and they do work.
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Originally posted by fanofccfan fanofccfan wrote:

Thanks. I did the test and they do work.

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Did you use the test button on the GFI's or one of the testers I mentioned? I don't fully trust the test on the GFI and here's the stand alone tester:



$9.60 at the HD plus they indicate correct wiring! If you just use the test button on the GFCI, do test to make sure that the GFCI did cut off the power.


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That's the one.
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Question: I have a line from the house to the dock. Where it terminates there is a GFCI outlet. So that makes it trip should something that was plugged in short or hit the water (yes, I need to test it with the above tool.) If that line going out to the dock in flex conduit was chewed by a muskrat and it hit the water, would the breaker be the fail safe or should there be something in between (there may be...but I am not sure and want to investigate)?
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^^^^ that's why I'm a proponent of a GFCI breaker. A recptacle only protects what you plug in. There's a time when a GFIC breaker is overkill but on a circuit like you mentioned it's the best route.

If the scenario mentioned in the article was a GFIC receptacle and the box held water like it did, it wouldn't have saved the girl because the circuit itself wasn't protected. But if the entire circuit was on a GFIC breaker it would've tripped at first sign of moisture.
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I get it now. Sorry to have missed that. I will check my box for a GFCI breaker going to the dock. Thanks. Also, I just added the GFCI tool to my amazon cart
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Is there a shelf life for the GFCI breakers or receptacles?
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Did some work on my electrical situation on the dock. While there isn't a GFCI breaker for my pier in my main box, there is a "subpanel" down by the lake (about 20ft on shore on a 4x4 post). The breaker in the subpanel is GFCI and the test button works. I tested the outlet on my dock with the button and my new plug in tester tool. Nothing. So I replaced the outlet and now it trips as it should. So I think I am safe. I am appreciative of this thread which is why I just posted and resurrected it. Hopefully someone else will read it while it is on top and fix any issues they may have.
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Originally posted by quinner quinner wrote:

Is there a shelf life for the GFCI breakers or receptacles?
Originally posted by samudj01 samudj01 wrote:

I tested the outlet on my dock with the button and my new plug in tester tool. Nothing.   

When the ground fault receptacles first came out, they weren't the best. They were prone to nuisance tripping as well as not tripping. The design has been improved so they are now reliable. The nuisance tripping on the originals was bad enough that many (like myself)would replace them with a standard receptacle!    


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