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fgroce
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Hi in the car industry there is a company called Cardone. They can rebuild ECM modules for cars. It should not be to hard to send them a ECM to save the program from then they would have the program to download into a ECM after it has been repaired. If I get a chance I will investigate further. This should not be that hard of a problem to solve.
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FGroce
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Gary S
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Dave I'll bet we have similar problems p0456- (ECM) has detected a very small leak in the evaporative system ? was the old code before I took it to the dealer,now just a light and no code. Here in Illinois if you spend over $450 you can get a wavier. Our son went to get one but I think he took an attitude in with him and found out that does not work. The test center looked at the dealer work order and noticed it had Grand Cherokee on it when in fact it's a Cherokee. Even though the vin was on the sheet too, the guy gave him a hard time. I took a chance and told just to him to take in in when the light was out. |
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Gary S
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Another 20 years I won't care anyway |
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Fl Inboards
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I have to agree!! |
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Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.
1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0 |
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JoeinNY
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You are probably getting pretty close to justifying an excal bobtail but in another 20 years you will need a new ecm for that one... |
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JoeinNY
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It is still pretty much the next step here outside of getting handy with a soldering iron or the solutions being worked on over at PN. If I was a PCM garage or shop and it wasn't being supported anymore I would send it back to a carb and distributor in a hurry.
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8122pbrainard
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Not very original but might as well just drop a new engine in!!
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TRBenj
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JoeinNY
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You will also need a carb and an intake - and some fuel system changes.
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Gary S
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If it was only that simple. Since the Gt40 is multi port efi that won't work, that is the replacement for the pro tec system. You still need the "brains" to control injector timing and advance and things like limp mode etc.
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quinner
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That is the Pro Tech conversion, so that can eliminate the ECM as well??
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JPASS
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This is the kit Woody is referring to: A little more than halfway down the page here |
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woodyelc
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PCM offers a kit to solve your issue, George at Christine marine has the parts you need to get your boat up and running for the summer. part number IG8525N has in stock. This is Woody that was at Southeast Correct for 35 years. THis kit comes with everything that you will need to make the motor better that ever.
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Ski-Naut
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I did call and talk to NautiqueParts.com and they would not refund my $600.00 for the ECM because they don't take back electronic parts. I never hurt what was already broken....I proved that when I got the boat to start with another ECM.
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63 Skier
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Gary, I had a problem getting my cel to stay off on a 2003 Durango. It kept coming up with evap codes, endless finding and changing out the hoses. Then it just stayed on, I'd reset it, a day or two later back on again. My repair shop said they can pass a vehicle if no codes are found, they did something to make special note of it and gave me the inspection info sheet to keep in the car. Not sure if IL has similar rules or not.
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8122pbrainard
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There must be someone with VW that can do some programming on that computer! |
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Gary S
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The real problem with these ECM's is that there is no F12 key
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Gary S
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That is exactly what the Lincoln dealer did Pete and dad had bought quite a few cars from him. I would venture to guess that a boat dealer would suggest a re power though. I don't know if anyone has ever tried but if it were me I would get ahold of one of the ecm rebuilders on eBay and at least ask if they could repair one,I don't know what's involved but on the Lincoln dash it was a known problem that often had happened to the failed ones. I'm fighting a problem on my Jeep right now,the check engine light comes on with no codes. I did some checking and hose replacement since it has to pass emission testing. After failing test I took it to the dealer,he says it might be the computer it's the only thing left in the system. My fix was to take it in to get tested when the light was off and it passed. Few days later it's back on with no codes found again |
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Blamey
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8122pbrainard
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David,
Maybe I missed it but I don't believe the OP ever stated or confirmed the ECM was bad? Again, I'm just curious what happens when the ECM's go bad. Yes, it will be interesting and great if the PN member finds a solution. |
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63 Skier
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I know the local dealer here, a friend of mine, will not have a solution for a bad ECM in a GT-40. So yes, he will just send you away, because he literally has no way to solve it.
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63 Skier
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Pete, the point is that as far as anyone knows there are no longer any parts dealers that have ecm's for GT40 on the shelf. A used ECM out of a working motor will work fine, but once they are bad there has been no rebuilding technique. The guys on PN are coming up with an interesting fix at low cost that if it works will really be good insurance for guys like me that plan to keep their boat.
I'm not sure why you are questioning the OP on Nautique Parts, obviously if they sold him an ECM and it doesn't work, then they sold a part that doesn't work. Seems fairly simple to me. I would hope they would take it back, don't know if that has been asked or not. |
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8122pbrainard
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Gary,
I completely understand that part support doesn't last forever but back to my other question, what happens if you take the boat in to a dealer? They just wave goodbye to you? Is this why the PN member went out on his own to find a solution? I'm heading over to Watercraft Sales later this week to see Ryan regarding the mini and I'm going to run it past him and his service writer. I'll report back. |
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Gary S
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I think it was a used one
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Gary S
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Like a car dealer,they sell you a new boat |
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Gary S
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Pete I guess due to the age PCM is just not supporting parts for the Ford engine. Just try to find the thermostat housing for example,not a problem with freshwater boats they last forever but a saltwater boat they rot out fast. So when it comes to the ECM,PCM didn't make them Ford did. I question who even did the programming of them,l'd bet Ford did that too. It's been something like 17 years since Ford got out of the marine business and have moved on to different engine families they are not going to supply parts forever. I don't remember if I told you about my Dads '00 Lincoln Town Car when the dash went completely out. It was like 11 years old with 70k on it. Dealer said no way to fix no parts. Luckily I found a place on the Internet for around 300 dollars that repaired the original dash and had it back in my hands in under a week. They made a lot of Town Cars so someone saw a market,who will step up when in a few years these new Linc systems start failing and their not supported any more - not quite as many of them being made.
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8122pbrainard
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IE: How does the PCM dealer fix the problem? |
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8122pbrainard
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So, what you are saying is Nautiqueparts keeps bad parts on their shelf? |
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Ski-Naut
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I don't know where NautiqueParts.com purchase there Parts, I'm assuming that they would get the ECM from PCM. PCM told the dealer that I took my boat to that they can't flash or repair bad ECM's. PCM said that NautiqueParts.com should have never had one on the shelf to sell because PCM hasn't seen a good ECM that could be repaired. I am starting to find some people on PN.com that are able to read the ECM and could have a solution for anyone with a bad ECM.......but still testing.
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8122pbrainard
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Fill me in since I'm curious and the above is confusing. Who hasn't found a good ECM yet? Nautiqueparts or PCM and why shouldn't Nautiqueparts sell them? They sell other PCM parts! Also, what happens if the ECM fails and you take it to a authorized PCM dealer for service? |
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