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    Posted: August-11-2017 at 6:58am
Greetings!

I'm in the market for a boat and the SN caught my attention for both price and performance. I'll be a first time boat owner and I'm looking to buy one that is cheap so I can learn what I do and don't like about boats. Learning how to maintain a boat is also a goal. I'll be using it mainly for cruising and wakeboarding (I'm a little above a beginner).

So my question is what engines were offered on the '83 SN? I found a seller near me who said it has the same engine as when it was purchased (although with a rebuilt carb,

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351 pleasure craft marine.
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If the seller allows, do a compression test. If all cyls are within 10%, that is a good sign.

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Chris,
As mentioned by Rod, the 351 PCM is standard. CC did use others in special orders but those are very rare. See if there's a tag on the engine or other markings that would ID the engine. A picture would be great.
Welcome and good luck with the purchase.


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Thanks for the help guys.

Chris - two things:

1) Awesome to see an FRC fan! I started volunteering at NC events this year as a game announcer and I'm hooked.
2) Let's assume worst-case scenario and the variance is above 10% - what does this prove or disprove? Should it affect my purchase?
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Chris,
Regarding the over 10%, I feel it depends on what is causing the variance. A leak down test may show what's causing it. It could be as simple as a head gasket or a deeper problem like valve leakage all the way to broken piston rings. Take a look at the boat, get some pictures and tell us the hours on the engine. The pictures may indicate the overall condition of the boat and a clue to how it was used.


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Have you looked into something like a 20' or 22' Sea Ray ?
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I have not... what models and years would you suggest?
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There are some pictures @ https://raleigh.craigslist.org/boa/d/1983-correct-craft-ski/6240133066.html . It has ~1500 hours on it, stock engine.
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It's not a bargain but not overpriced according to pictures taken 1000 yards away. If you're not concerned about a correct original Correct Craft than its fine. An 80's Correct craft probably isn't the best choice for a first boat due stringer rot is likely at some point. But I would choose it over any I/O as suggested. An I/O is a maintenance nightmare. IMO I'd wait for a different boat.
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Here is a link for the add

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Looks worth checking out to me.

Be sure the new floor was not put over bad stringers. You can read about checking stringers in the CCF FAQ section at the top of the section for Boat Maintenance.    
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Originally posted by Orlando76 Orlando76 wrote:

An 80's Correct craft probably isn't the best choice for a first boat due stringer rot is likely at some point. But I would choose it over any I/O as suggested. An I/O is a maintenance nightmare. IMO I'd wait for a different boat.

I agree that the lower unit on I/O's can add to maintenance but there sure are plenty of them out there!
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Have you looked into something like a 20' or 22' Sea Ray ?


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Yes Pete,   totally serious.    I really think that a first time boater should experience an I/O or an outboard first.   The ability to raise the prop out of the water is a huge advantage for a novice.
The only reason I can think of for a 1st-time person needing an obsolete tournament inboard would be if he or she was beginning 3-event training.

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I am certainly open to different points of view on this site, but I would say exactly the opposite as what you are Doc.    My first boat is/was an obsolete tournament boat.    I don't have anyone training for 3 event sports in my family.    I do however love the look, feel and pull that a tournament inboard gives.   I also really like the fact that the boat doesn't torque steer or bow rise like what I have experienced in an I/O.   I think my favorite feature though is that the prop isn't hanging out in back of the boat right next to the swim ladder... I feel inboards are much safer than the I/O design in that regard.   Ease of finding parts and making them run is probably a wash on either boat, each has its quirks and each its strengths. I do like having the 351 which has parts available from everywhere, and there is a wealth of knowledge on how to make them work.     
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Originally posted by DrCC DrCC wrote:

Yes Pete,   totally serious.    I really think that a first time boater should experience an I/O or an outboard first.   The ability to raise the prop out of the water is a huge advantage for a novice.
The only reason I can think of for a 1st-time person needing an obsolete tournament inboard would be if he or she was beginning 3-event training.


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Interesting points for shallow waters. I guess I've never thought about it that much being raised on inboards and lakes where I pretty much didn't have to worry about shallow spots.


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I also agree I think tournament ski boats make great first boats. They are very safe, don't draw much water. Track very well not as expensive to maintain as an I/O. Our old lake has stumps and an I/O will find one every time. Just my 2 cents for what it is worth.
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Well there must be a reason I/Os outnumber tournament inboards a billion to one.
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Likely because a tournament inboard is 100k+ new and a Bayliner is less than 20K? a see ray maybe 25-30K?   sure seems like a compelling reason to get an IO if you don't have any experience in the boating world. that doesn't make it the right choice or a wrong choice, just not what I would choose   
I know lots of people who can't or don't want to replace an interior, or fix an engine... they would just rather buy a new boat than fuss with fixing a more quality piece of gear that is a few years older.   that makes an inexpensive IO right for them.

OP, an 83 SN is a nice machine if it is in good shape.   I will tell you though that an 83 is likely going to cost you more than it is worth to repair if the stringers/floor or interior are bad, or you have a major motor issue. You may be able to get a few years out of a nice one that has good stringers, but the repairs will come at some point. Purchasing an old wood stringer boat to see if you like the experience has it's strong points, but I would say that you'll either be into that boat for the long haul (along with some major repairs) or you'll upgrade in a couple of years.
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If you are totally new to boating, I recommend renting one a few times 1st. It may seem like a lot of money to flush, but that isn't much compared to the hidden costs of boat ownership.      

If you do your own maintenance, an inboard is easier to deal with.

Lastly, even outboards & I/Os can have rotted transoms!

Be patient, the buyer's market season is just around the corner.

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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

Well there must be a reason I/Os outnumber tournament inboards a billion to one.


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All depends on what purpose you intend to use the boat. My first boat was a Procraft Fish-N-Ski 180. Not the perfect boat for either but it worked. Bought the SN after my love of boating turned to watersports more than fishing and if I wanted to fish my then Father in law had a Bass Tracker fishing boat. True I had experience with SN's and inboards in general as work buds had inboards so the decision to go with a SN was easy. Never looked back.

So I too am one to say first time boat owner and watersports guy an inboard is the way to go. You won't be disappointed. Cruising a busy lake most of the time ( 98% of us know that a competition ski boat doesn't like rough water) and on rare occasion bust out a cheap pair of skis then a I/O is the way to go.

Chris, 1993 was the first year that SN went to an all composite structure. No wood to rot and 93's-96's are coming down in price. Not easily found but are out there. Fall is around the corner and the time to buy as people don't wanna store the boat all winter or looking to upgrade. Bottom line is HOW you intend to use a boat for.

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All valid points. Yes, an I/O is a bit more user friendly, but the inboard is not all that far behind. My first boat was an inboard V-drive with a Ford 460. It taught me and my brothers proper boatmanship. I learned and so can you.
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Well I ended up purchasing the boat! Talked with the seller and the stringers had been replaced and the engine was in good shape. After cruising around on it I can see why he wanted to upgrade to something a little more comfortable for his family - it doesn't exactly handle chop that well.

In any case - it fits my needs perfectly and I'm excited to join the ranks of CorrectCraft owners.
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[QUOTE=cnelson0641] Well I ended up purchasing the boat! QUOTE]
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Well then, we expect plenty of pictures!! Congratulations on the purchase and enjoy.


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Will do! Next time I take her out I'll snap a couple pictures.

One more question - I need to add an extended pylon for wakeboarding and just realized there is more than one size available (I tried fitting my buddy's pole that fits an '89 MasterCraft Stars and Stripes and it was not big enough). I assume I'll need a 3 inch diameter pylon instead of a 2.5 inch?

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Can't help with pylon situation, but congrats on getting the boat! Hope you enjoy it as much as my family and I have enjoyed ours.
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Not sure if you still have the original ring and finger pylon. If you do, you will need one of these to mount an extended pylon without cutting off the ring and finger (DON'T CUT IT!!!)

Super Deluxe Boom Mount

The other option is to find a Flight Pipe clamp on extended pylon, they are no longer available new but sometimes pop up used.

I used the SDBM on my '84 with a Skylon, worked great!

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It does not have the ringer and finger at the top.

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Congratulations on the new boat. Post pictures by all means, and enjoy.
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Originally posted by 76tique 76tique wrote:

Not sure if you still have the original ring and finger pylon. If you do, you will need one of these to mount an extended pylon without cutting off the ring and finger (DON'T CUT IT!!!)

Super Deluxe Boom Mount

The other option is to find a Flight Pipe clamp on extended pylon, they are no longer available new but sometimes pop up used.

I used the SDBM on my '84 with a Skylon, worked great!


Sorry to thread jack, but.... Tom, With the SDBM I see yours is pretty high up the pole. I just installed one on my 85 SN and mounted lower and was wondering what ur thoughts on its heights are.
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