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A great lesson learned and shared.
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Glad to hear it is running. Enjoy the weather, while it last.
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I've been wondering, way to go checking and fixing your boat!
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Yes, thank you for posting the (happy) resolution.
All too often, sage advise is given here, and the results are unkown.
No judging at all. Simple (and common) error.
Most don't have the courage to fess up to it.
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Lisa,
Great news!


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Hi again! I have good news....but please don't judge. i was in touch with Nautique Hunter and he said he would take a look at my boat (great guy!). We talked for quite a while on the phone. (He is a wealth of information) So before I bothered him...I rechecked my FO and for some reason the 3 and the 4 were switched (don't judge). We did a lake test after work and she ran like a dream! Long story short...the FO on the tag was completely correct...just had to take everyone's advise and find TDC and get the FO right (cant even believe i am talking like this??)
But thank you to everyone for suggestions and offers of help in person. You all are invaluable and so is this site. Lisa
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Originally posted by Mojo Mojo wrote:


Problem is the boat won't run under "Load". Cant really simulate that with a bucket or flush kit. I'm running into the same issue. Need the boat in the water..


ah, you're right. my mistake. There has been a lot of talk about FO and it sounding good at idle, but dying when put in gear.   I don't remember seeing anything about revving the engine while in neutral and it being smooth, and that's where my head was at while reading. Would it be beneficial to get the engine running smooth in neutral at idle and through some rpms before putting a load on it?

Plus, in the future it still doesn't hurt to be able to run the boat at home to troubleshoot other issues.

Glad there are local people to help out!
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Originally posted by spiralhelix spiralhelix wrote:

I really hope the fellas can get your sorted out in person.

Reading through this post and travels to the lake to test, I would encourage you to read this thread to install the Timmy T and/or also another thread on running the boat off a bucket. This can save you lots of time troubleshooting without multiple trips to the lake. Before you know it, you will be wrenching with the best of them and will know your boat inside and out


Problem is the boat won't run under "Load". Cant really simulate that with a bucket or flush kit. I'm running into the same issue. Need the boat in the water..
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Sent LisaO a message and talked to NautiqueHunter this morning. Between the two of us we should figure this one out and find the issue if she brings the boat over to Mikes this weekend. I'm headed up first thing Sat morning with Kermit as we're supposed to have beautiful conditions for a Lanier Crew meeting.
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I really hope the fellas can get your sorted out in person.

Reading through this post and travels to the lake to test, I would encourage you to read this thread to install the Timmy T and/or also another thread on running the boat off a bucket. This can save you lots of time troubleshooting without multiple trips to the lake. Before you know it, you will be wrenching with the best of them and will know your boat inside and out
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Originally posted by Jay SE IN. Jay SE IN. wrote:

I vote for bad accelerator pump.


Kinda goes along with this

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Maybe it's an issue under the distributor cap

Or maybe this is another case of "about the time you're convinced it's an ignition problem, it turns out to be a fuel system issue"


Looks like she'll have some in person CCF help available to her
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Lisa

You have a PM with Nautiquehunter's phone number if you want to call him
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I vote for bad accelerator pump.
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PM sent Lisa.
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Thank you! Please tell me where and when. Lisa
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

Well if she or her friend were named Kim..........


    Easy there fella!!!!

Don't give hope Lisa you're a trooper for trying to get the boat running again. I would assume that since you're in Marietta you probably take the boat to Alatoona. There are several of us CCFans that get together on Lake Lanier and we'll be happy to help, figure and hopefully fix the issue for you if you can drag the boat over to Lanier this weekend as the gang will be getting together.
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Maybe it's an issue under the distributor cap

Or maybe this is another case of "about the time you're convinced it's an ignition problem, it turns out to be a fuel system issue"
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Well if she or her friend were named Kim..........
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Thanks! I found #1 with your method. Then I got lazy and used the order on my tag. She sounded really good and strong....so off i went to the lake! It was a beautiful day and I couldn't resist. I do have problems finding folks that will work on my old boat. Years ago even the Nautique dealership told me that they wont work on a boat as old as mine.
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Lisa
Back in the second post of this thread NautiqueHunter asked what state you live in, probably because Google says he's about an hour away from you on Lake Lanier.
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I think we should put the call out to anyone close to Marietta who could help Lisa with her timing and firing order. Anyone???


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Lisa

Back in the second post of this thread NautiqueHunter asked what state you live in, probably because Google says he's about an hour away from you on Lake Lanier.

I don't know him personally, but he's plenty knowledgeable and I'd bet that he might just be willing to help you out if you were to ask him

And he's looking at this thread right now, according to his profile info.
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Lisa,
You're not being a pest at al! You do need to go back to this post Ken made regarding the firing order.
Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Good job with the picture Lisa.

Your tag has a firing order of 1 8 4 5 6 2 7 3 (later 302)

but you have the order arranged to be 1 8 7 3 6 2 4 5 (early 302)

You'll notice some clown named KenO did a little experiment the other day and took his
engine with the late firing order and rearranged the wires to see how it ran.

His results were that the engine would idle a little rough and a little slow but sound pretty good actually.

But when it was given any gas after shifting into gear it stalled. This probably sounds familiar to you

You said it didn't run with the later firing order as shown on the tag. I'm not sure why it didn't , but i'd either try that order again. (thats 1 8 4 5 6 2 7 3} or another option would be to pull the plugs and put a little piece of rag over each plug hole, then rotate the engine by hand in the correct rotation direction and see what order the little pieces get blown out of the plug holes. You have to start with #1 at Top Dead Center on the compression stroke.You can find that with a rag over the plug hole

By the time you get to the 3rd plug hole you'll know which firing order you have.

First rag to blow out will be #1 when you find TDC on the compression stroke

Second will be #8

And then it'll be either #4 if you have the later order like your tag says...... or if #7 is next instead of #4 then you have the early firing order which is the way you have it now.

You only really need a rag over the #1 8 4 and 7 holes to figure out the order but if you take all the plugs out, it'll rotate easier by hand.

You can rotate it with a 15/16 socket on the front crankshaft bolt that holds the harmonic balancer on..


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Front of engine
   5                  1

   6                  2

   7                  3

   8                  4

and you want to rotate the engine counterclockwise if you're looking from the FRONT, Or in other words rotate it toward the drivers side of the boat

You might have to read this a few times to digest it, but it'll tell you your firing order


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What firing order are you using right now?
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You can rotate the distributor back and forth all day and you only change the timing, not the firing order. You need to get it timed properly. That would be a start.
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Hi! Me again! I just got back from the lake. The good news is that I was able to get the boat off the trailer and run her around in idle speed. As soon as I I gave her gas she hesitated, sputtered, popped, knocked and coughed. Ugg! I think I am fired as a boat mechanic also! Any ideas? Is the top dead center off? The "mechanic" rotated the distributor a little back and forth when he was trying to get the firing order right. Please let me know if I am becoming a pest. Thanks, Lisa
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I think you being a little hard on the mechanic there Pete,can't make a living working on obsolete equipment. The complaint you should have is that the guy took on the job thinking he knew more about something that is most likely as old as himself   
Does not mean he's a bad mechanic. I can still take a finger wheel off a rotary phone but that won't put food on the table- get to the ISP stuff I'd be lost,but at least I'd tell you that.
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Lisa,
I admire you initiative to undertake the hopeful fix. Keep us informed and we'll be around if needed.

I sure wish you would stop calling the person who worked on your engine a "mechanic". I agree with Chris he needs to find another line of work.


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So cool that you figured it out yourself.
Your mechanic should sell his tools & look for a new occupation.
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