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    Posted: April-18-2019 at 11:04pm
Originally posted by mspalatro mspalatro wrote:

The engine does have cam that is supposed to bring it up to 300hp. Everything else is stock.

Don’t know who sold you the cam, but you’re not going to get 40 extra ponies from just a cam, with stock heads and intake.
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Check the other thread Michael - I have links there and some photos. No other fittings, just straight from the manifolds to the Y and the Y straight into the 4" hose to the exit.    Do you have the 3" or the 3.5" exhaust risers?
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I am going to with Y conversion. Looking through some old threads I saw there was a boat dr that sold the conversion kits. I checked his website and I don’t think he is still in business. Do you have any online recommendations to buy parts?? Also for the install, was there anything you had to take into consideration like the placement of the Y fitting?? And did you run hose right from Y to manifold or did you use additional fittings for bends??
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Originally posted by mspalatro mspalatro wrote:

The engine does have cam that is supposed to bring it up to 300hp. Everything else is stock.


I'm running the Y-pipe system in mine with a modified GT-40 that is likely sitting at about 340-350 hp .... not thinking I need any more exhaust than I have with just the single 4" through the back. If she was supercharged as well then I'd be needing more - but that puts it well over 500hp. You have to remember that our boats are more or less straight pipes from the manifolds after eliminating the invertaflo - few bends and all very gradual, none sharp.
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The engine does have cam that is supposed to bring it up to 300hp. Everything else is stock.
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What Joe said. Sound would be a bit different - not really better, just different - with duals. Did mine last year with no mufflers and Y-pipe into the one 4" outlet and IMO it sounds awesome. If there were any performance gains to be had it would likely only be with a highly modified engine that is going to require a lot more flow than a single 4" will allow. A stock, standard 240 (260) hp 351 would not require 2 - 3" outlets and in fact as Joe pointed out, this could be a detriment. Couple this with the HUGE pia it would be to run duals in our era of boat. I'd stay with the single 4".
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Originally posted by mspalatro mspalatro wrote:

I am looking to get rid of my inverta flo on my 1990 Nautique. Is there much of a performance gain to go straight dual vs y pipe?? I can see straight dual is a much bigger project.


It will sound different, but it is very unlikely there would be any performance gain from going to straight duals with anything near a stock engine. Mostly likely you would see no difference, slight chance the duals would be slightly slower.
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I am looking to get rid of my inverta flo on my 1990 Nautique. Is there much of a performance gain to go straight dual vs y pipe?? I can see straight dual is a much bigger project.
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I don't have any photos of my boat but it looks identical to this.
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I should finally have my engine by the end of the week next week (of course .... now that I'm swamped with work) and hopefully be able to get everything prepped and in the boat over the weekend. The exhaust will be close to the last part of the install, but I will definitely post some pics of the process then.
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Originally posted by MNLakeSkier MNLakeSkier wrote:

Throttle out- anyway you could post a pic? I have an 89 as well and am about to do the same and just want to make sure I route everything correctly. Many thanks!


I did a muffler delete on our '89 about a year ago. My son uses it so I hadn't driven it until last weekend. I really like the way it sounds. Not too loud, slight drone while cruising but not bad and sounds great wide open. For some reason the '89 was much quieter than the '92. They both have the same muffler except the '89 has smaller diameter risers and less HP.   I like the way the '92 sounds so I wouldn't delete the muffler but I'm glad I did it on the '89. The only issue I had was getting the muffler tubing to bend downward after the risers. It may have been the type of tubing I used. I can take some pictures but it will be a few weeks.
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I restored a bubbleback last year. It came from the PO with the Y-pipe which I've left as is. I would have bought a new hullhugger muffler until I saw the price! Noise doesn't seem too bad to me but I never heard it with a muffler.

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Erik,
I did some searching and found this picture. I'm sure there are other examples posted.

Originally posted by 70CC 70CC wrote:

Here's what it looks like. Pretty clean and simple install.



I zip tied one of the rubber pads from the old muffler around the Y pipe to make sure it can't rub on the hull.



Once I got this done, I noticed trans fluid in the bilge - always something! Since I had the floor and doghouse out, it was easy to figure out the source of the leak - a bad trans cooling line - got that fixed and I'm back on the water.



Skiing behind the boat, I notice it is a bit louder but not offensive. Makes it seem like I'm going a few MPH faster!





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Throttle out- anyway you could post a pic? I have an 89 as well and am about to do the same and just want to make sure I route everything correctly. Many thanks!
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I love the throaty growl of a V-8 as much as the next guy -- but my hearing is not too good, so I need all the noise reduction available. I replaced my blown-out Inverta-Flo muffler with a new unit when I performed major surgery to the engine a couple of years ago. I wish I could quiet things down even more...

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I'll try to get a sound clip next chance I get.
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Good to hear real feedback from one that not only has done the conversion, but also seems to appreciate the throaty growl of a V8
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Just an FYI
I literally just did this conversion on my 89 using a Centek y-pipe. I fired it up for the first time yesterday and the sound difference is NO where near what I was expecting. At an idle sitting on the trailer it honestly would be hard to tell a difference, it is ever so slightly louder but more just sounds a bit different. At WFO it could be a completely different ball game but I won't know that for about a month yet as I'm replacing my interior.
My buddy's got an 88 SN and his on the trailer is still much louder than mine at an idle, and sounds better as well. My boat slightly edges his out performance wise but man the 88 and older Nautiques sure do sound perfect lol.
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I assume you're talking about a 70s ski nautique?

If so, great, add another flat bottom boat to the list...

I think my cousin’s brother’s first grade teacher’s landscaper SN had logs too.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

. All that hull allows the a v-hull to float higher- the Bfn doesn’t dunk the chine by much, whereas the small flat bottoms float with the chine nearly a foot below the surface.


That's how photos of both boats look to me.

What about the noise levels from lack of mufflers?
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So you don't have a v hull log setup nor have you measured. Thanks for your input TRB
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I have a feeling this is more an urban legend,does anyone have actual experience getting water in? Someone somewhere probably had a problem with a high overlap cam and over the transom exhausts,some other guys had trouble with big sport fishing boats backing down when fighting fish and then PCM's marketing dept who would sell an engine for any type boat said that their pyramid style exhaust were better than the logs for that reason. We just don't back up hard,we spend most our time going forward.
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The engine is lower relative to floor height in a v-hull like the Bfn but I bet the engine height relative to the water isn’t that much different. All that hull allows the a v-hull to float higher- the Bfn doesn’t dunk the chine by much, whereas the small flat bottoms float with the chine nearly a foot below the surface.
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Then you have plenty of time to have those cool looking logs.
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But I ski weekdays too...
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If you're elbows are significantly closer to the waterline than they are in a flat bottom, why not get some proper elbows or PCM manifolds and avoid all that pain when your weekend suddenly turns to saving your engine because it filled up with water?
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I assume you're talking about a 70s ski nautique?

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I still have logs and straight pipes and no problemo.
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

I wouldn't be too concerned in flat bottom boats where the engine is higher up off the water..

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

I can honestly say I have never heard of a "reversion" issue even back in the days of logs, straight pipes, no snails and no flappers. .

I didn't limit my statement to flat bottoms only.


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