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    Posted: September-01-2006 at 7:37pm
Yeah 79 is right the old ones are more simpel,and boat dr is also right about the outboard settings.how would know were to start to recalibate,how could tell what the idel is?but if you want this one for a test - my email is-MADDMARXX@AOL.COM    #321-231-6041
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I did see a rotory dial...it's resessed and could be turned with a small fladhead...I did not see any reference to settings...no markings. I will guess here...the tach is preset to 8c only and the screw is for fine adjusting? Boat dr...what do you think?
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teleflex should have a rotary dial @ 4 oclock at the rear.yours should be set to 8c/4p=8cyl. or 4 pole[outboard]. the new tachs do have a calibration screw located @ about 10 oclock,but you have to have a "master or known to be correct" tach to adjust yours to.........tachs are cheap insurance for your motor.plan on spending 100.00 for a good one or bite the bullit and buy quality,Gaffrig or Auto Meter.....boat dr
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I don't have switches on either of the teleflex tachs(looked on both 72's ..identical tachs)...however there is a stem that sticks out on each tach...I wonder if it turns for calibrating...anyone know?
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What could the tack be set to, to make it run low? 10?

Anything but 8 would read too high.
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some are universal and have a switch others are spicific for the number of cyclinders, I belive most factory CC gauges don't have the switch at least on the older models.
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Let me investigate!
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hold on ill make a list(lol)
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STANG -this one has a swich on the back for 2-4-6-8 did you check to see if yours is on the 8? I dont think you can recalibrate.
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Can't pa$$ that up! That would be great! Any parts you are looking for?
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You can have it,just pay the shipping its a black VDO.
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That might work for now...how much?

I would like to find a chrome teleflex nos...I see them every now and then.try to keep the orig. look...can an old tach be recalibrated?
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Stang-I have an extra tach if you need one, its never been used, its out of an 85.
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Hey boat dr, what temp do you run at that speed? mine goes up some at 50+mph 10 to 15 degrees til i slow down to around 40 then it cools down fast.
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Yeah...it has to be...with the federal 13x13 before the 540...same thing low rpms...it sounds like it's rappin out pretty well.It's an old tach.
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Originally posted by stang72 stang72 wrote:

It does run pretty strong...I'm trying to reach close to the 50 mark with it with out major machine work...that would be pretty good for a 302!
I figure the rpms should be closer to   4400-4500 at that speed .I think I will put on another tach and see.

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Gary, I think your tach's gotta be off. Granted I have a 351 not the 302 but we put a GPS on my nautique last week and ran 49mph at 4800 rpm with the 540 acme prop. 2 completely different boats but 4000 sounds low. I'm going to send the prop out over the winter and have it cupped to bring my rpm down just a bit.

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It does run pretty strong...I'm trying to reach close to the 50 mark with it with out major machine work...that would be pretty good for a 302!
I figure the rpms should be closer to   4400-4500 at that speed .I think I will put on another tach and see.

Soaked foam was removed everywhere..but it was not heavily soaked...once I got started, I just got it all out...even up under the bow.
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yes they supplied the blank and the proper numbers to made this whole package really come to life,lots of questions,but am super happy with the end product,Houston Performance built the shrt block and balanced the rotating a$$y. lots of people involved,but not a whole lot of money for the increase in torque and HP. i have spent a lot more on toys and did not get this much bang,go 331 ............. the blank is 351W no more 302 blanks,but my firing order was the same as the 351 fat chance on my part........boat dr
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That's pretty consistent with what Ive seen. With stock sized props, both 1:1 and 1.23:1 boats seem to run pretty close on RPM vs. MPH. You can see some differences due to hull efficiency though. Once you start changing prop sizes, that can skew everything as well. Before my mods, for example, I was seeing 43MPH @ 4600RPM.

Boat Dr, I see that Cam Research did your cam- I have been impressed with mine. Did you have to source them the reverse rotation blank? When I ordered from them they said they could not get them.
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with my 13x13 OJ 4 blade w/borg warner i am 1:1 RPM vs. Speed. even at the higher speeds i am getting now.2500=25mph 3500=35 mph.yesterday on gps @5500=54.7mph too fast to be looking down,for a short burst it pulled past 6000 ,this is contrary to what my cam guy said,should run out of breath @5500rpm's. never had a boat that pulled this hard ,there is no substitute for cubes..boat dr
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46 is no slouch for a 302 in a Ski Nautique, thats for sure. Strange that it was faster before though... Where was the soaked foam? Ive noticed that we can pick up a solid MPH by putting a few people in the back seat.

I bet that the heads, intake and a full tank of gas will get you there!

Oh, and I would say its a pretty good bet that your tach is off. With a new 540 and 46MPH on GPS, 4k RPM doesnt make much sense.    
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One more thing...this summer I added a 540 ACME...much improved hole shot and bites well in turns...but again not seeing much diff in top end???
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Tim,

On the gps...I am seeing 46mph...tach reads 4000 and is most likely off a bit(original tach 1972).
Hole shot is great and midrange too...0-40 is fast, but top end is not there like I want it! 49- 50mph for a 302 in a SN would be nice! Funny thing is...in the fall last year right after I brought it home, it was hitting 47 and that was before I removed 300lbs of soaked foam and drained two year old gas out???
I also switched to an EI ign...reset timing. I think the carb can be fine tuned a bit as well as minor timing tweeking.That with the head and intake should get me there!
Or just go out and find some old gas!
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Boat Dr, 5800 RPM is no joke! I wonder if the Acme 470 (12.5x15) that Im running would be too much for your boat... maybe not! I know '79 is running it on his 1:1 Nautique with good results.

Gary, I think 2-3 MPH is easily attainable with intake and heads. What are you running for speed now? Low end and midrange should improve as well... Let us know how it turns out!
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Great info and thanks! I am keeping things somewhat simple...swap heads and intake!If I pick up 2-3 mph it's a success!Low end and mid now are strong.
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yesterday just for a short blast and low timing 5800,lots of power .going to need more prop 13x13 ain't gonna cut it... 64cc GT-40 with the flat top pistons.i do a lot of cruising at or below 2500 rpm,plus i like that 400 rpm idle in gear,but that is what i do,what ever floats Your boat is all right with me........ boat dr
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Actually, the chart shows flow from .100 to .600 of lift. I agree that a race motor that turns high RPM is not comparable to our boat motors that generally turn 5k max. However, I dont think that low end torque is the most important factor on our motors either- I think its all about the midrange power. The cam I chose for my boat makes power from 2500-5200 and it works great. Holeshot is much stronger than stock, and the midrange power is terrific- a great ski boat motor. Since I get 3k+ RPM out of the hole, I dont see the need to make huge amounts of power below that point. The 400+ RPM I picked up on the top end can be attributed to the higher flowing heads and intake (and the cam that can support them).

How many RPM do you turn with your new setup?
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if i understand that flow chart they are referencing flow @ .500 lift,the numbers dont apply to my 331,as my lift is only .450 and the uses of a boat motor and a hot rod are like comparing apples to oranges.my intention is to build torque,not that pie in the sky called "peak horsepower". if flow was the answer to torque,i would have opted for the twisted wedge,but runner volume is around 200cc that would ,in effect, hinder the low end pull i am seeking.rarely will this motor see 5000 rpms or the calculated 350 plus HP,but i will use the 400 ft. lbs. with my fat buddy in a 24 foot parasail........boat dr
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I agree that the slight increase in CR helps- but I dont think its the biggest factor. The GT40's outflow the stock heads all across the board by a pretty significant amount. I would think that the better breathing is what allows you to pick up several hundred RPM at the top end.

To see a good side-by-side comparison, check out the Ford head flow chart here: http://www.allfordmustangs.com/Detailed/630.shtml
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my take on the GT-40 heads is not the flow cfm nor the runner volume the added power comes from the increase in compression ratio,most PCM 302 came w/351w heads from the factory.but you have to be careful with your choice,size of the c/c can be anywhere from 64cc to 55cc depending on casting no. and application.mine came off a '95 HO and have 64cc chambers,any good speed shop can tell you what chamber size you have from the casting #,as far as intakes go,bite the bullet and by the Edelbrock,go USA,not some chinese copy that looks good,79 will probably disagree on that. i prefer GO to SHOW but then again i am just a lowly boat dr
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