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    Posted: September-04-2006 at 11:30pm
I have a 79 Ski Tique with a Ford 302 Commander that I found on CC Fan this summer. I'm in Central Oregon and we have freezing nights with warm days in September. We are still skiing several days a week but the temps drop below freezing at night. I park my boat out side and am worried about freezing dammage. I have been dry starting the boat after I take it out of the lake just to flush out some of the water from the manifolds but I'm looking for any other ideas. Temps are getting in the 32-25 range just for a few hours each night do I need to be concirned?
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I know a guy who puts a light bulb under the oil pan, just like people do to keep their water pump for their house from freezing. With a car, which has a motor exposed to the elements more than an inboard, it takes several hours at 18 degrees to freeze a block.
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I've dropped a trouble light in the bilge before. It definitely keeps the heat up, but I didn't sleep too well...would hate to see a fire start somehow.
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shouldnt worry about it if it's just a couple hours a night that it's below freezing, needs to be up to 8-9 hrs i believe for any real damage to occur. But like others have said, drop a light bulb under your motorbox for some insurance if you'd like.

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Thanks for the light bulb suggestion. I'll give a try on the colder nights.
Does any one know how well starting the boat out of water and running it a few seconds works to clear out water in the manifolds?
Could I do dammage by doing this?
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Running it for a quick second *might* not damage it, but it doesnt take long to fry an impeller. Theres really no advantage in doing so, as you wont remove an appreciable amount of water from your manifolds or block.

Like everyone else suggested, youre probably OK as long as you dont have several days of freezing temps in a row. Of course, it only takes a few minutes to drain the motor if it gives you peace of mind.
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Thanks TRBenj thats the info I was looking for.
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The dry start is only going to blow water out of the exhaust between the elbow and the exhaust flapper.
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TR: you're raising the bar of vocabulary use on this site with "an appreciable amount." Good thing guys like you are here to offset those of us who would say something like, "a bunch of" in that sentence.
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Just keep it in the water. The water will keep it warm.

Draining the whole engine is not possible, there are plenty of spots where water can pool.

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I bought a real cool set of valves that screw into your manifolds, block, and water pump J-tube. I bought them from ski-dim. They are great. Like the other guy said, it is impossible to get the water out of every crevice, but this should get the majority out of the manifolds and block. I am trying to rig up a way to easily pump antifreeze into the motor without making a mess. I am really wanting to pour just a tiny bit in each manifold and a 1/2 gallon in the block because we do ski into the fall too but don't want to do a full winterization. Gets expensive!

But check out the valves. They were about 50 bucks or so. Well worth it!!!!
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Originally posted by Tim D Tim D wrote:

The dry start is only going to blow water out of the exhaust between the elbow and the exhaust flapper.


And burn up the impeller
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OK I'm giving up the dry start. I'll make sure there is not gas building up while the boat is off, and start using a light bulb on the colder nights. I can't leave the boat in the water at the public dock and I don't live on the lake.

Thanks everyone for the advice.
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On super cold nights (in Texas, dipping into the 20s, I've stuck a monkey light under the engine cover and never had a problem.
Lately I've been wishing for it to cool off 30 degrees or so

OR is a great place to visit this time of year.
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If your curious to know what is going on put acup of water inside the engine cover somewhere and see what it does .

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Yeh OR is nice this time of year. It's starting to get a little cool (snow on our mountain pa$$es forcasted for this weekend)days are still warm enought to ski with a shorty though.
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Originally posted by jimbo jimbo wrote:

Lately I've been wishing for it to cool off 30 degrees or so


I'm ready for some cooler weather too. Spending the day in the boat on Thursday. Out on Galveston Bay.
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Dude: Know what ya mean....90's every day...sunny....little afternoon rain and then humid. Boy its tough here in FLA!


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La. about the same 90 in the day 70 at nite,will not winterize till dec.will pull the chute and ski till turkey day. Tim i always said and have observed 17 is the magic number,it will split a GM Vortec right at the balance shaft,manifolds are a little more forgiving.open the block drain valves,drain the ex. manifolds,dont take but a few min. and well worth the piece of mind,drop lites in the bilge,NOT IN MY BOAT,just drain the water,how hard is this.................. boat dr
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Sept. 17th was our last day on the water for this season. I winterized the boat on the afternoon of the 18th, it was very sad it feels to early but the temps are getting cold (in the teens at night ).
Just want to make sure I did this right as this is my first Fall with the boat. I hooked water up to the pick up pump and ran the boat until it was at normal running temp. Then let it suck antifreeze until green was running out the tail pipes. I opened the block drain and made sure green was comming out of it too. Then I sucked R.V. antifreeze (pink stuff) into the bilge pump.
Took the battery out and that's it.
Is there any thing more I need to do?
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I hope you didn't use straight antifreeze and it was mixed.
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Plain atifreeze will mix with water already in the engine. I use very little water mixture, then check the freezing point on that which comes out, but I run it/recycle until I get hot antifreeze.
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not a very accurate method and you cannot depend on the mix being evenly distributed either. Personally it's not a very good way to winterize your motor and leaves a lot of room for the block to crack because it's not done right.
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Yeah, 16 years doing it wrong and no problems. I check the freezing point of that which comes out dumba$$. Now I'm starting to sound like you.
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i use to do some work for this marina in which they also stored boats in the winter and when it got real cold out early in the season the owner said he could hear the blocks snap if he was outside near the yard and he would just giggle knowing he had more work in the spring, i did a 2005 larson this year with 12 hours on it. even the manifolds were just about snapped in half. that was a 5k oops
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I usually just pour a bit of brandy in the fake-a-lake and run it for a few minutes. Then I pour a little brandy in me, then a little more in the boat. One for me, two for her.
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My understanding about mixing the antifreeze is that you mix it with water because the antifreeze does a poor job of exchanging heat. In the boat it just needs to prevent freezing while the boat is is parked for the winter. I will flush it out next spring before the boat goes to the lake, the lake water will do all the cooling. Also I think straight antifreeze does a great job of lubercating and preventing rust. I know it must be mixed in a car for cooling reasons but does any one know a reason that it must be mixed in the boat for winterizing?
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79, that is a good question,the main component consists of Ethlene Glycol,this in itself will not freeze at any temp you guys have up there,we dont do any thing down here but drain,EVERYTHING,that has water in it,manifolds,coolers,risers etc. on the coast they fill the blocks w/anti freeze,but this is to slow down the rust monster,but he always wins.we only have fresh water this far up......... boat dr
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if your real cheap and want to save a buck or two use windshield washer fluid with a rust inhibitor...... i know guys that do   eric
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79Nautique said I hope you mixed with water and did not use straight antifreeze. My post above was in response to that. Is there a reason to mix the antifreeze other than saving a few cents? I also want to make sure that as long as I ran the motor long enough to open the thermostat that antifreeze is everywhere it needs to be. Any thoughtsd out there?
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