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I was in a Cam Grinding shop and they were using the Cold Weld process to weld up the bearing surfaces on Hollow Camshafts like you find in the Ford 4.6L and 5.4L.
I should explain these cams are lower cost to manufacture, they take a hollow tube and insert all the cam lobes into the correct positions at the factory and then blow a Steel ball bearing through the tube. As the ball bearing passes down the tube it expands the hollow shaft locking the cam lobes and bearing surfaces in place.   Believe it or not the process has been working since the late 90's.   They are lighter and cost less than a traditional cast iron cam shaft.
The hollow shaft is pretty hard to work with but this process allows them to oversize the bearing surfaces with the cold weld and then grind it on the cam grinder to size.
Allows them to oversize bore the overhead cam Heads to save the heads with bore damage.
If a cam journal is damaged in the overhead valve heads which are aluminum it is hard to repair so before this process new heads were purchased.   The air flow was very high speed and very noisy to witness but it worked very well. They welded all the journals in about 1 minute and handed me the camshaft. It was warm but not hot.
I think the process will open the door to many more repairs that previously could not be attempted.
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Originally posted by MrMcD MrMcD wrote:

I was in a Cam Grinding shop and they were using the Cold Weld process to weld up the bearing surfaces on Hollow Camshafts like you find in the Ford 4.6L and 5.4L.
I should explain these cams are lower cost to manufacture, they take a hollow tube and insert all the cam lobes into the correct positions at the factory and then blow a Steel ball bearing through the tube. As the ball bearing passes down the tube it expands the hollow shaft locking the cam lobes and bearing surfaces in place.   Believe it or not the process has been working since the late 90's.   They are lighter and cost less than a traditional cast iron cam shaft.
The hollow shaft is pretty hard to work with but this process allows them to oversize the bearing surfaces with the cold weld and then grind it on the cam grinder to size.
Allows them to oversize bore the overhead cam Heads to save the heads with bore damage.
If a cam journal is damaged in the overhead valve heads which are aluminum it is hard to repair so before this process new heads were purchased.   The air flow was very high speed and very noisy to witness but it worked very well. They welded all the journals in about 1 minute and handed me the camshaft. It was warm but not hot.
I think the process will open the door to many more repairs that previously could not be attempted.


We would call that Spray Welding, often the only option to rebuild the older RH cams if they are excessively worn - pretty sure the one in Reidp's 413 that lives in my boat was resprayed and then reground. I haven't seen anyone using that technique on cast iron manifolds personally but don't see any reason why it couldn't work
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We spray welding all the time in our business. Parts we sell are so expensive and often times unavailable. Lots of guys used it on larger engine blocks if the deck height is below specification. They need a solutions when Cat decides to not stock a part and a 300,000 dollar machine is down because of a 2500 dollar part.

Would be an interesting test to have one of our vendors re spray a stock cam and re grind.
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Update:

Pressure tested the exhaust manifolds with the new gaskets. No leaks!
Engine rebuild coming to an end.
All parts refitted and torqued to factory specs (the techincal manuals I downloaded and printed from the reference section here came in handy! But had to convert all the ft lbs numbers to newton meters we use here in Europe ).



My old pushrods and rockers (who are in perfect condition) all fitted perfectly in the new GT40P heads. We turned the motor by hand several times to check and re-check.
We gave several parts a fresh coat of paint (intake manifold, heads, exhaust manifolds, coil,...) so the motor looks a little nicer







Next on the menu: drain the remaining oil. Put new oil in. Start her up and adjust timing with the timing lamp... Let her spin for a while. Then drain oil again and put fresh oil in again...

And when all is well and running fine, this little upgrade will be fitted also:





And a friend of my friend offered to make a stainless steel Y-pipe for a sweet price, so I can get rid of that butt ugly invertaflo muffler



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BTW, guru's...

Are the timing specs mentionned in the technical manual accurate? Or is it different due to the new GT40P heads?
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You want 10 degrees before top dead center for your ignition timing.

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Thanks for the info JQ
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Everything is looking great Kristof!   And just in time for the first spring run
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Glad you got it fired up. Nice Work.
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So....

Last week after getting back from Paris with my lovely wife, we decided to get the boat in the water for a test run...
After letting the motor slowly warm up, looking at all the gauges on the dash with an eagle eye, listening to the engine making beautiful music with no strange sounds whatsoever, I "dropped the hammer" a few short times to see how she reacts...

It's a beast! It's like a whole new boat...
She shoots out of the hole like a maniac and climbs in the revs in no time.
No WOT yet, because I want to let everything set in a few more normal runs.

I used to be able to pull 10 skiers on my showteam with the previous setup, but now I am pretty much convinced I can pull the required 12 people for our 4 tier pyramid... We will see how that goes this coming season.

Meanwhile weather has gone worse so I will have to wait untill it improves again to run her some more on the water.
And after a few more runs, we will start the conversion to electronic ignition...

Thanks again to Joe (gt40KS) for making this possible!
And thanks for all the help and info from others on this wonderful forum!

Now... Let the season begin!



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Confirmed no mayonnaise after the test run? I’d be keeping a constant eye on it to confirm you fixed the root cause.
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Good to know everything is back together and you are getting the performance you had wanted!   Sounds like you're going to have a blast this summer with all that newly acquired horses    
As Benj says, keep an eye on that oil for a few more outings, but if you've run it for a while already and there's no sign of issues, I'd say your chances are good everything is OK.
Have a great season ....   and let's see some pictures !!
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Confirmed no mayonnaise after the test run? I’d be keeping a constant eye on it to confirm you fixed the root cause.


No mayonnaise anymore, just nice clear oil. Checked the dipstick multiple times during the test run (shut down a few times)…

Originally posted by gt40KS gt40KS wrote:

As Benj says, keep an eye on that oil for a few more outings, but if you've run it for a while already and there's no sign of issues, I'd say your chances are good everything is OK


I sure will check and re-check quite a few times, before I myself am convinced everything is running as it should...
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Update:

Engine is doing great. No leaks anywhere and oil is still nice and clear..
The wife and I made a long ride on the boat last wednesday, letting it warm up easliy and checking everything from time to time and using a variety of throttle inputs.

Then I decided to see what she does at WOT...
Well... She shoots out of the hole like a jaguar running for it's prey and climbs in the RPM's like it's nothing...

WOT is 4900 RPM and 76 Km/h (47,22 mph)

Kinda happy...
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Congratulations! I just love a rebuild that starts, runs and performs as planned/advertised.

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Awesome Kristof - always good when a plan comes together!!   
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Originally posted by Jonny Quest Jonny Quest wrote:

I just love a rebuild that starts, runs and performs as planned/advertised. JQ

I too am impressed since all they are used to working on over in Belgium are dinky engines with turbos on them!   

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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

I too am impressed since all they are used to working on over in Belgium are dinky engines with turbos on them!   



Still, you would be surprised how atmospheric V8 engines are quite popular over here.
Problem is that with all these ignorant climate idiots, you won't be able to drive them anymore with their "Low Emission Zones"...

And I love the torque of my six-cylinder-turbo-charged-two-point-five-liter-BMW-diesel-engine   


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