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    Posted: February-19-2019 at 2:35pm
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Was it over when the Germans bombed pearl harbor...


As quoted by "Bluto" Blutarski (John Belushi) in Animal House...
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Originally posted by rosconole rosconole wrote:

Was it over when the Germans bombed pearl harbor...


Well if you want to quote famous movie lines......

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Originally posted by rosconole rosconole wrote:

Was it over when the Germans bombed pearl harbor...


You must have had a different History book than I did.
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Was it over when the Germans bombed pearl harbor...
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You should have had a British car then,even the shocks have filler plugs because they leak so bad.
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Gary, The old 36 hp VW barely had enough oil anyway. Did not have to worry about orange filters cause they did not have a place to put it


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Originally posted by Duane in Indy Duane in Indy wrote:

Gary, The old 36 hp VW barely had enough oil anyway. Did not have to worry about orange filters cause they did not have a place to put it


I know what you mean Duane. When you only have 36 you need to know every one's name.
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My 69 Bolens with the 12 HP Wisconsin single was due for a change and I figured I'd start running the 20-50

Originally posted by rosconole rosconole wrote:

. i know what multi weight oils are why PCM didn't use them back then i guess they just weren't rated right for application.

But Ross, a Wisconsin engine isn't made by PCM!!

FYI, Wisconsin does recommend multi weight oils per the manual.


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Originally posted by Duane in Indy Duane in Indy wrote:

Pete, This may help him.

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Thanks for the link but I do have the manual.


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You are welcome, but the link was not intended for your use. I knew that you already were knowledgeable on the engine.
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Gary, The old 36 hp VW barely had enough oil anyway. Did not have to worry about orange filters cause they did not have a place to put it
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Originally posted by Duane in Indy Duane in Indy wrote:

Pete, This may help him.

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Thanks for the link but I do have the manual.


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Air cooled VW's and Porsche's always specified straight weights back in the day too. The average person didn't realize in addition to air cooling they were also oil cooled. The word back then was under extreme heat that the multi weight would break down back to it's base weight. Our Farmall tractor,if it got too cold out it would refuse to start with 10-30. Straight 10 it was fine. Oil has come a long way in 40 years, back a few years ago when I was crazy enough to put up with cold weather I found out that 10-30 was now ok. Today I don't care- it was 89
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1000 hp?    I am assuming that was per cylinder. At least that is what our motor made. Actually more like 1250 per hole.
I'll let you and Pete haggle this one out..
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I think you should stick to the prop encyclopedia
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I only use oil from the back of a KFC to make 1000 hp . I don"t need viscosity and heat range links thanks. i know what multi weight oils are why PCM didn't use them back then i guess they just weren't rated right for application.
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Then when he gets done with that maybe he can read this

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Pete, This may help him.

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Originally posted by rosconole rosconole wrote:

Man sounds like you need more like 20w for that ice fishing. 20w50 probably barely turnover and sludge up!

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I highly recommend you do some reading about multi weight oils. Your statement tells me you don't know what the 20-50 means. FYI, the 20 is the base weight of the oil so a 20-50 acts like a straight 20 when it's cold. Then, when hot it acts like a 50 weight. Doesn't Amsoil have a FAQ section on their web site? Also, how familiar are you with a Wisconsin S-14d? BTW, I don't ice fish!!


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Man sounds like you need more like 20w for that ice fishing. 20w50 probably barely turnover and sludge up!
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

My 20-50 showed up 2 days after I ordered it. Yes, I too am waiting for some liquid water to use it.

No liquid water for a few more months but I did break into the VR1. My 69 Bolens with the 12 HP Wisconsin single was due for a change and I figured I'd start running the 20-50 in it since I used my last quart of 30 a couple months ago.

I had been running this high tech straight 30:





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Originally posted by tryathlete tryathlete wrote:

Originally posted by Duane in Indy Duane in Indy wrote:

I always run Phillips 66 - XC 20W50 Aviation Oil in my plane,

what r u flying around in?


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Originally posted by tryathlete tryathlete wrote:

We ran Phillips 30 straight viscosity

I always run Phillips 66 - XC 20W50 Aviation Oil in my plane,


I’m betting that oil wasn’t even around back in my youth. Interesting—what r u flying around in?
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Originally posted by tryathlete tryathlete wrote:

We ran Phillips 30 straight viscosity

I always run Phillips 66 - XC 20W50 Aviation Oil in my plane,
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I guess it would be interesting to note delta T. Back in the late 70’s when I was at U if I aviation institute we were trying to get FAA approval for extending oil change intervals on training aircraft, since we hit 100 hour standard oil change times every few weeks on basic training aircraft. We ran Phillips 30 straight viscosity against the Ester-based Mobil One formulation and ran cyclic power/cooling to simulate lots of touch and go landings and ran the engines to 2000 hours. I wish I had access to the tear down photos. Measuring the Dino oil engine showed some pretty significant wear that would clearly require overhaul. The synthetic oil engine measured very close to a zero-time engine. I wasn’t there to find out if U if I got permission to extend drain intervals but I sure did start using synthetic oil on all of my engines large and small. I wish Mobil still made the gas to liquids formula—rumor that they do for some Euro-spec applications but don’t have any inside knowledge. I think Amsoil and others make gtl synthetics.
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