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    Posted: March-12-2019 at 4:54pm
This is what came on the trailer, which I'm in the process of rehabbing. Seems like a bogus design, was this common on dual axle Ramlins? There's a bracket welded onto the trailer. The jack is welded to its own bracket, and the two bolt together on the sides. The whole thing, when tight, is somewhat kicked out off angle which is really unsettling. There's a single bolt holding it all together, on which the jack is supposed to rotate... but no bearing, all metal on metal. So when it's all tight, it doesn't want to rotate. I disassembled it and it all seems intact, so I threw some grease in there and it's moderately better.

Thinking I should just junk this thing and replace it with a basic Fulton jack, but I'm not sure anything will fit that bracket. Should I just put a new jack on the opposite side where there's nothing welded on? Cut this one off?

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That’s really jacked up. Wish these manufacturers stopped jacking off and made better jacks. That’s a real typical Fulton swing jack, no bearing, one bolt. Bracket is different. Normally the same jack design has a bigger flange and u bolts bolt it to the trailer.
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Originally posted by Orlando76 Orlando76 wrote:

That’s really jacked up. Wish these manufacturers stopped jacking off and made better jacks. That’s a real typical Fulton swing jack, no bearing, one bolt. Bracket is different. Normally the same jack design has a bigger flange and u bolts bolt it to the trailer.


It's actually not made by Fulton, it's BullDog Trailer Jacks. I'm guessing not OEM. What should I do with it?
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They’re all same *************** design and don’t think there’s really an OEM. Ramlin just put a Bulldog on mine. WD40, annual grease and let it ride is my suggestion.
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Years ago I had a trailer jack that did the same thing (not sure of brand). Didn't like it but just lived with it . Unsettling about sums it up .
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Originally posted by Faceplant Faceplant wrote:

Years ago I had a trailer jack that did the same thing (not sure of brand). Didn't like it but just lived with it . Unsettling about sums it up .


Well, yeah... just finished ordering a small fortune in replacement parts for this trailer, so I'm just going to leave this jack alone as long as it's functional.

On the way from etrailer: new actuator, two new drum / hub assemblies and associated free-backing drum brakes including all associated bearings/races, and two sets of pre-greased / bearings-installed idler hubs (decide to remove the drum brakes off the rear axle and go with regular hubs, just doesn't seem necessary and the cost / maintenance is a pain). This after redoing the plywood steps, all new wiring and lights, fabricating new front fenders.

Thought I might be able to save the existing brake components... after I mighty struggle to remove the brake reservoir cap on the existing actuator (big red flag), I looked inside to see that it was just all rust as far as I could see. Rust flakes everywhere, not a drop of brake fluid. And a test removal of one of the drum brakes confirmed the same, it basically fell apart in my hand, bearing felt gritty, grease looked terrible... Ugh. Safety first.

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It's a goofball interface that about nobody but Ramlin used. Most of your swinging jacks use a large flange with a snap ring that holds the jack to the backing plate, This uses the bolt style (which usually ends up getting bent etc).

If you poke around you used to be able to find a center bolt style jack that you could remove the backing plate and install the Ramlin box deal onto the jack. Generally that is an interfaced used by very cheap replacement jacks and if you find one it's usually poor quality.

Most guys just use a universal and move it back a little.

I did see a jack like that last time I was at N3 on a new Boatmate. MFG by Dutton-Lainson Company. I browsed their website and did not see said jack offered so it must be a custom commission for Boatmate. Had the box style mount but I don't know if the dimensions and bolt centers are the same.
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Tyler,
Here's the Fulton jack that Zach is talking about. Note the large snap ring at the pivot that gives the jack a large bearing surface. I happen to have one on one of my trailers. Works great and no jacked jack.



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Originally posted by DockDoc DockDoc wrote:

[QUOTE=Faceplant]Well, yeah... just finished ordering a small fortune in replacement parts for this trailer, so I'm just going to leave this jack alone as long as it's functional. On the way from etrailer: new actuator, two new drum / hub assemblies and associated free-backing drum brakes including all associated bearings/races, and two sets of pre-greased / bearings-installed idler hubs (decide to remove the drum brakes off the rear axle and go with regular hubs,


Check out Johnson RV Surplus for trailer parts. That is who I use. (maybe for future reference)
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I've got the same jack that Tyler originally posted about. It is very hard to crank now, I've had it apart and cleaned and greased and not much improvement. I think it's time to give up and replace it with something better.

When looking at Fulton replacement jacks, what kind of capacity should I look at? I'm wondering if I get something rated higher if it would take less effort to crank and would be more rigid. Any suggestions on what to look at? Seems like there are a ton of different options.
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Any Fulton clamp on style will do you great. I have 1200 on one of my boats and it's smooth as silk and works great.

Hollywood I believe springs for the 1500 LB jack which has a larger wheel on it.

Don't even consider the F2 fancy looking garbage.

I just removed one of those bulldogs from Larry's 176 trailer and installed a standard swing up slightly behind the original bracket for the box mount.
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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

Any Fulton clamp on style will do you great. I have 1200 on one of my boats and it's smooth as silk and works great


Most normal people put their jack on the trailer, not the boat
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If you think it works good on a trailer, wait till you try it on a bote!
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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

If you think it works good on a trailer, wait till you try it on a bote!


I never said I was normal so I might have some experience with this
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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

Any Fulton clamp on style will do you great. I have 1200 on one of my boats and it's smooth as silk and works great.

Hollywood I believe springs for the 1500 LB jack which has a larger wheel on it.

Don't even consider the F2 fancy looking garbage.

I just removed one of those bulldogs from Larry's 176 trailer and installed a standard swing up slightly behind the original bracket for the box mount.

This must be the 1,500 lb. one with larger wheel that you mentioned:

1500 lb. Jack

I'll need to measure the travel on mine to see if the 10" on this one is similar.
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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

Don't even consider the F2 fancy looking garbage.


I disagree. The F2 has been nothing but awesome for my set-up. Overkill, yes, but far from garbage,

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Eh, you got a good one then.

The older dual wheel ones broke wheels all the time. The later single wheels would break the casting "fork" that holds the wheel. The pins for the swing lock would pull out too far and kick sideways in the barrel. The gears would strip out sometimes and they aren't smooth like the normal metal housing style.

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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

Eh, you got a good one then.

The older dual wheel ones broke wheels all the time. The later single wheels would break the casting "fork" that holds the wheel. The pins for the swing lock would pull out too far and kick sideways in the barrel. The gears would strip out sometimes and they aren't smooth like the normal metal housing style.



Plus 2 on this one - I loved mine when they worked - but two up and two down for the F2 for me - haven't tried again
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Appreciate the discussion on this, I was looking at the F2 as a possible upgrade, think I will stick with the more basic model.
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You can't beat the basic Fulton.
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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

You can't beat the basic Fulton.

Are you sure I don't need a fully electric jack with brakes??? I"m getting old and feeble you know!
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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

Eh, you got a good one then.

The older dual wheel ones broke wheels all the time. The later single wheels would break the casting "fork" that holds the wheel. The pins for the swing lock would pull out too far and kick sideways in the barrel. The gears would strip out sometimes and they aren't smooth like the normal metal housing style.


Our old CC trailer had an F2 on it, but after a few years the plastic top that holds the gears in place cracked and eventually failed. No idea how old it was, but never had the issues you mentioned with the wheels and other areas.

Current one has been in use for 4 years with zero issues. Maybe I got lucky.

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