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8122pbrainard
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Wilhelm,
Getting back to the high temp issue, if your bucket test proves the RWP is doing the job AND if your manifolds are running cool, I'd see if a raw water restriction to the manifolds will do anything. The restriction may put more raw water through the heat exchanger to make a difference. |
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GottaSki
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I don't see any gazintas
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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No, neither the risers nor the manifolds are the standard PCM Ford ones. Off a GM motor IIRC, with a bit of adaptation to fit them to the Ford block, and custom cut gaskets. I have had this setup since buying the boat - seemingly no issues. |
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TRBenj
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I’d like to see how the cooling passages line up on those risers. Never seen that style before, though they are handsome. Manifolds look like normal PCM. Gasket for reference: https://www.skidim.com/images/RM0002.jpg |
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KENO
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That would be a FWC half system or a closed cooling half system |
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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Reverse rotation. I can't recall if the PO installed the distributor or if it was done by the guys who rebuilt the motor for me. I suspect there was some machine work involved, yes. |
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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Correct. |
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KENO
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It seems to me that the manifolds and risers are raw water cooled.
Instead of the raw water going in the front of the manifold, it goes in the rear and up through the riser and out the back of the boat. |
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TRBenj
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Just 1 connection, rather than in/out? Risers are dry? |
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KENO
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As far as the distributor, it more a matter of spark protection.
Where the advance mechanism goes through the distributor there's an opening that gas fumes can pass through and get into the distributor if you have a fuel leak. The fumes meet the spark in the distributor and you have an explosion that is not contained in the distributor because of that open unprotected path. The marine version has no vacuum advance and the opening is blocked off but there are a couple of vent holes in the body of a DUI HEI marine distributor that have brass screens in them which keep the explosion contained inside the distributor. The gas fumes can still get in if you have a leak but like mentioned above the screens prevent the internal explosion from getting outside the distributor so it keeps the fumes in the engine compartment from exploding. The distributor may be damaged internally, but you won't be in an exploding boat. It works on the same principle as an old miners lamp Here's a link down below to a thread by somebody who "converted" his Chinese distributor. In his mind it meets USCG requirements The typical factory job has 2 layers of screen per vent hole, not 1 like he did. I think there's a reason for that Lots of people have survived for a long time without USCG approved stuff on their boat, but it just takes that one bad day to change all that. link Some later marine certified distrihbutors are well sealed with no openings for fumes to get into the distributor. By the way, is your engine normal automotive rotation or if it's reverse rotation, did you have some machine work done to adapt a reverse rotation gear to that distributor? |
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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Points taken, thanks! It is indeed an automotive carb, but it has been fitted with J shaped float bowl vents. Not always simple/cost effective to get OEM marine parts for old engines in South Africa... As to the distributor: does that unconnected vacuum advance canister potentially cause ignition timing issues? |
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Gary S
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Wilhelm where does is hose that feeds the T come from?
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Gary S
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Last picture shows the the heat exchanger at the top of the picture.The 1" hose coming down in the middle of the picture with the T is the feed to the manifolds, the green striped hoses are going to the rear of each exhaust manifold. The only differences to PCM's setup is that their heat exchanger is usually mounted along side of the block right behind the raw water pump and the manifolds look more like Crusaders.
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TRBenj
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How is the exhaust cooled?
Dry risers? |
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KENO
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The things that people notice when you put pictures up
Maybe somebody will notice the Chinese HEI distributor with the vacuum advance canister peeking out and say something about it. Or they may question whether the carburetor is marine or automotive. Just tell them that you're in South Africa and USCG regs don't apply to you, even if it's a good safety thing. Sparks and explosions/fires don't really know any borders though, so I tend to think an African spark and an American spark can have the same end result in a fuel leak situation. |
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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Exactly the same as your one on the left.
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May be wrong, but I believe the GT40 is a double pass. Where as, the 351w would be a single pass.
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I happen to have in my stash 2 new heat exchangers,1 for a regular PCM engine and 1 for a GT40. They both measure approx 2" in diameter and 2' long but have different inlets and outlets. The GT 40 one looks to have more tubes inside it. Curious if yours has the same dimensions?
GT40 on the right- |
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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Brand new. |
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8122pbrainard
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Wilhelm,
Is the exchanger used or new? If used, has it been cleaned? They will "plate" ( a build up of impurities on the heat transfer surfaces) out over time loosing their efficiency. |
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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None of the above explicitly, no. I'm reasonably confident the hoses aren't collapsing, and I haven't noticed kinks, but I'll double-check. We replaced the heat exchanger inlet hose with a transparent hose, and there appears to be a good flow of water into the heat exchanger, but I haven't checked the actual flow rate. How does one do the bucket test? And no, my exhaust risers aren't included - it's just the stock FWC system. |
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Gary—if you replaced your iPhone since it took a drink on Deep Lake, there’s a built in scan feature in the camera function. Might be worth a look see. You are really helpful. |
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Pics of your engine would help.
I would want to know if they included your exhaust risers (the stock system did not). Have you done the bucket test with the raw water pump to ensure you are getting correct flow? Have you verified the temps with a infrared temp gun? Checked for kinks? Made sure the hoses are not collapsing under load? Coolant is at proper level? |
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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Touching 220 degrees Fahrenheit. |
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8122pbrainard
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Wilhelm,
How hot is "too hot"? Regarding the size of the heat exchanger, you can't go totally by physical size. It's all about internal surface area and fluid flow rates. |
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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So I eventually got all the parts together except the rear heat exchanger bracket (R090038). Also, the part number that I needed to order for the upper thermostat housing assembly (RB025009) was changed to RA025009. Something to do with the separate seal on the RB025009 (part number R047011) having given problems, so the design changed to incorporate a seal in the housing itself, which negates the need for R047011. Be that as it may, I had a rear bracket fabricated to fit the heat exchanger, and my motor is now FWC.
However, the guys who did the installation work for me commented that the size of the heat exchanger is surprisingly small. They are more used to working on Mercruiser motors, where heat exchangers for smaller capacity motors than mine are apparently typically about 50% larger. And subsequent to the FWC conversion, I am now having issues with the motor getting too hot after running at high RPM for a while and then pulling back to idle. Has anyone else had similar issues? I'm thinking that I may need a larger heat exchanger... |
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Wilhelm,
I have a few of parts that you need, they are located in Western Australia,$300 US for everything in the pics. |
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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Is that the upper (RB025009) or lower (R025004) thermostat housing that you have available?
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