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Fl Inboards
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I actually have new old stock R025002 the Y pipe. it is a NLA part.
And I have the thermostat housing that is NLA part also New. I also have a complete 351 with fresh water on it for sale. not going to seperate it but if one wants a fresh water set up one can get a complete running engine package.[URL= https://panamacity.craigslist.org/bpo/d/panama-city-marine-ford-351-and/6857320127.html i see you are in South Africa could be a stretch with any parts.. |
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Gary S
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I know marine parts guys do not stock those parts they are dropped shipped from PCM, I suspect the others are the same. Nautique Parts seems to be cheaper on normal parts than them plus you can get 10% off by using planet Nautique as a discount. Might be worth your time to contact them and see if they will ship overseas.
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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Thanks Gary. I do have the full instruction manual, and upon paying closer attention I realised why they include the riser gaskets, pcv hose, etc. in the kit - as you explained. I also found the full PCM parts manual here, which is very helpful: https://www.marinepartsguys.com/product-tag/pcm-marine-engines/ . I contacted PCM as you suggested. They referred me to Trans Pacific Distributors (www.transpacificdist.com or www.marinegate.com). These guys seem to have almost all of the parts in the FWC kit parts list available, except for what looks like a few generic pieces of hose. Not sure why PCM discontinued the conversion kit if all the components are still available. Be that as it may, I also enquired from Marine Parts Guys (www.marinepartsguys.com) about the six parts you mentioned in your first post, and they informed me that they are all available. So it looks like I'll get the parts I need from one of those two sources. Thanks again for the help! |
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Gary S
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I just want to add don’t sweat the small stuff, get the Y and the thermostat upper and lower those will be the hard to find items. The expansion tank and heat exchanger will be available from other sources, but if PCM has them get them but the system will revolve around those first 3 parts.
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Gary S
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Do you have the actual instructions or just the parts list? I obviously cannot speak for them but if you follow their instructions they want you to remove the risers from the manifolds to move the water inlets from the front to the back. You then need to change the gaskets. PCV valve hose needs to be longer and I suspect the valve it's self may be one with a 90 degree bend built in. Either way you would think they should be included but who knows....
If you need the instructions I have them but have no scanner,maybe I could take a picture of them and post if you need them. |
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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I tracked down an installation manual with parts list for the FWC kit. Any idea why the parts with Reference Number 'N.I.' at the bottom are included in the list? Other than R045029A (overflow hose for the surge tank) it looks to me like these parts have nothing to do with the cooling system? |
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1982 Ski Nautique PCM351W RR II Velvet Drive 10-17-003 1:1 II PerfectPass Stargazer
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rosconole
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Might check if crusader has something similar...
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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Thanks a lot Gary, that parts list is hugely helpful. As you say, the heat exchanger and surge tank I can get from generic suppliers - I guess it's the first three parts that you mention that are mission critical for my application. I'll get in touch with PCM.
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1982 Ski Nautique PCM351W RR II Velvet Drive 10-17-003 1:1 II PerfectPass Stargazer
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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I have installed flushing connections, so I do flush after salt water trips, but my boat may sometimes be moored in salt water for e.g. a week or two in places where flushing on the water is difficult.
And yes, we did have some severe water restrictions in place, which made flushing a bit tricky, but our water situation is much better currently, so flushing is less of a problem from that point of view currently. |
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1982 Ski Nautique PCM351W RR II Velvet Drive 10-17-003 1:1 II PerfectPass Stargazer
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Gary S
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I realize your overseas but a call to PCM might be worth your time,they might just have a few limited parts on hand. You need R024002 the Y fitting, RB025009 upper thermostat cover,R025004 lower thermostat cover. Surge tank RA147009 and heat exchanger RA147008 could be sourced from other vendors. Front heat exchanger bracket R090039 and rear bracket R090038 and surge tank bracket R090040 would be nice but if not available you could fabricate your own. Everything else in the kit are hoses clamps and bolts which you could get on your own.
Keep in mind that the PCM kit only cools the block,what ever water your in goes through te manifolds and risers. In saltwater they roughly last about 5 years. |
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8122pbrainard
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Wilhelm,
There are several companies that make generic fresh water cooling kits so check what's available in your area. I'm sure some fabrication of bracketry would be needed as well as some custom hose/plumbing work. The alternate that many do here is add a means of flushing with fresh water after each outing. Is that possible as I have heard that there is a major water shortage in your area. Is the shortage still a concern? |
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Wilhelm Hertzog
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Hi there. I have a 1982 Ski Nautique with the PCM Ford 351W motor. I use the boat in a variety of fresh/brackish/salt water locations. I am in the process of an engine rebuild (including getting a new block - original one bored out to its limits), and am considering converting to fresh water cooling while I'm at it. Can anyone offer some advice/guidance?
I take it that since PCM ceased production of the OEM FWC kit in 2016, it is a matter of building a custom setup? Has anyone attempted to fit the Indmar kit (http://catalog.orcamarine.com/item/marine-cooling-system-kits/conventional-marine-cooling-system-kits/400800) to this motor? I saw some reference to that kit in the forums in the context of converting a PCM 351. Thanks for any help! |
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1982 Ski Nautique PCM351W RR II Velvet Drive 10-17-003 1:1 II PerfectPass Stargazer
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