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    Posted: May-15-2019 at 8:12am
Anybody got time to walk me through what to do?

1998 Sport Nautique with GT-40; fully charged battery; turn key hear fuel pump, hear clicking/popping; starter not engaging.

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Last year I had relay failure which Keno and a few others assisted/solved the issue.
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First things first... clean your battery cable terminals and make sure they’re tight.
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Cleaned battery cables and all connections thoroughly.

Tried the positive battery terminal to red cabled solenoid connection - the starter does not engage.
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Also replaced relays with extras I have on hand. No start.
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If all cable connections (both ends of pos and neg, all the way from the battery to the block and starter) are clean, tight and in good condition (free of corrosion and damage), then check the I/o at the relay. Make sure you have full batt voltage at the (batt) input and start terminal from the key switch... and that you get some voltage out when the key is turned. I would give the starter a good tap with a hammer as that may free it up if it’s stuck. Beyond that, it’s most likely the starter causing your issue if all else checks out.
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You mention the battery is fully charged. Just to eliminate that as a possibility I'd either put a different battery in or use a jumper pack or cables to a good battery. Nice to eliminate the easy stuff before digging deeper.
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TRBeng you wrote:
"then check the I/o at the relay. Make sure you have full batt voltage at the (batt) input and start terminal from the key switch... and that you get some voltage out when the key is turned"
Could you be a little more visual/specific for me? I'm not certain what I/o means nor what/where the batt input is.

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OK...the mysteries of this boat continue. It is cranking up. Hmm.... to some degree I enjoy these mysteries, to some degree I find them quite fun to process. But this GT-40, this 1998 Sport Nautique with only 260 hours on it has offered up some newbies.

My last GT-40 burned in a house fire, my neighbor was burning leaves...(and you know the rest of the story).

I have had three GT-40's, owned one or another continual since 1998. This one is by far the most interesting one.   Hope it continues to crank but I gave no idea why it is cranking now...and wouldn't crank an hour ago.
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TRBeng maybe it was smacking the starter with the hammer. I did that, then it started.
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Certainly wouldn't be the first.   Though it's never happened to me I've heard of this many times in older automotive, but more so in marine.
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Originally posted by gt40KS gt40KS wrote:

Certainly wouldn't be the first.   Though it's never happened to me I've heard of this many times in older automotive, but more so in marine.


Don't I remember you having a "slow" starter Joe?

After "hammer time" I figure it's time to think about a fluff and buff on your starter or a rebuilt or a new starter.
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I'm fairly experienced at crawling under vehicles and pounding on starters. Amazing how often it works.

Yes, glad it is spinning but like Ken said it won't fix itself, and at some point on the water you'll bang on it and that won't solve it any more. Time for a new one.
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Thanks for everybody's help. I both have anxiety at times but at the same time enjoy figuring out- with help- my Nautique issues.
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This happened to me last year and I got an Arco starter. Fixed every issue and weighs less than half of what the old monster did which makes the installation pretty easy.

If you can get the right one from overtons the coupon code water30 gives you 30% off for today and tomorrow.
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Originally posted by oldlegbone oldlegbone wrote:

This happened to me last year and I got an Arco starter. Fixed every issue and weighs less than half of what the old monster did which makes the installation pretty easy.

If you can get the right one from overtons the coupon code water30 gives you 30% off for today and tomorrow.


One slight problem here, you had a big old monster that was original in your 87 that you replaced with a permanent magnet lightweight starter and he has a 98 that came with the permanent magnet starter as original equipment unless somebody swapped it out over the years

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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by oldlegbone oldlegbone wrote:

This happened to me last year and I got an Arco starter. Fixed every issue and weighs less than half of what the old monster did which makes the installation pretty easy.

If you can get the right one from overtons the coupon code water30 gives you 30% off for today and tomorrow.


One slight problem here, you had a big old monster that was original in your 87 that you replaced with a permanent magnet lightweight starter and he has a 98 that came with the permanent magnet starter as original equipment unless somebody swapped it out over the years




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I should have read the post in its entirety.
I just use the old starter as an anchor now.

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Charles,
If the starter fails to energize/crank the engine again, I'd be inclined to open it up and check/clean up the commutator and check the condition of the brushes.


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I seem to recall someone offering up the suggestion to me a couple years ago of buying a new one to get a me running reliably now.   Then take the old one and rebuild it in my spare time so I'd have a back-up.   Not a bad idea for you Charles.
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Originally posted by gt40KS gt40KS wrote:

I seem to recall someone offering up the suggestion to me a couple years ago of buying a new one to get a me running reliably now.   Then take the old one and rebuild it in my spare time so I'd have a back-up.   Not a bad idea for you Charles.


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Originally posted by gt40KS gt40KS wrote:

buying a new one to get a me running reliably now.   Then take the old one and rebuild it in my spare time so I'd have a back-up.   

Joe,
You may end up sitting on that spare starter for some time? Granted there's the old cliché "they don't make things like they used to" but I've never touched the starters in my 54, 64 or 77! I just finished rebuilding a 1969 Delco - Remy starter generator off a Wisconsin 14HP but they spin constantly when the engine is running. I'd say bench time for a new bearing, bushing, chucking it up in the lathe to clean up the commutator and then new brushes was around an hour. A starter is an easy rebuild if needed.


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Sounds like you are on the way to recovery.
My Brother has a 460 Ford powered Keaton Jet boat, he took on water and the starter got wet for several hours causing starter failure. We were camping for several days and just wanted it to run on this trip.. While he turned the key I hammered on the starter case and it started. If I did not hammer it did not turn.
After this trip a rebuild made his reliable again. ( he hates to turn wrenches so it went to a shop) For that weekend if he wanted to run we had to hammer. Not hard enough to damage anything, I think the vibration gets the brushes to connect but that is a guess.
The old hammer trick has been working for years but does not fix anything.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by gt40KS gt40KS wrote:

buying a new one to get a me running reliably now.   Then take the old one and rebuild it in my spare time so I'd have a back-up.   

Joe,
You may end up sitting on that spare starter for some time? Granted there's the old cliché "they don't make things like they used to" but I've never touched the starters in my 54, 64 or 77! I just finished rebuilding a 1969 Delco - Remy starter generator off a Wisconsin 14HP but they spin constantly when the engine is running. I'd say bench time for a new bearing, bushing, chucking it up in the lathe to clean up the commutator and then new brushes was around an hour. A starter is an easy rebuild if needed.


You probably haven't worn out any ignition switches either Pete   

How about spark plugs, you go forever on them too?

They probably come out real easy after 28 years or so
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