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    Posted: May-24-2019 at 12:20pm
Hello all,

If all goes well i am going to be picking up a very used 1999 Air Tique so i am going to have a lot of questions in the near future. For now just a few.

I know the motor is on it way out and has most likely froze in the recent past(core plugs popped out). I am going to try to get them back in and run it on a fake a lake and see how that goes. Any tips at getting the plug that is around the motor mount back in? And for the fun question, what is too much hp/tq for the trans/shaft/boat in general? I was thinking potentially new short block, cam, gt40p heads, rpm intake, DUI distributer. The other option is to get a stroker, e street heads, rpm intake, DUI, ect which im guessing would be around 400hp/tq which just seems like too much.

Props. Acme 422 the best option? I will be at 5-6k feet in elevation, the the current prop MAY be usable, but is in bad shape.

Gel coat repair. Just looking for general suggestions here to fix some good size chips and scratches

I will be looking for a 11A rudder/port, a tracking fin, and interior pieces if anyone has a leads

Also, what is the prefered method of posting pic?


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I suggest using a rubber expanding core plug where it's hard to get to. Then start the engine and hopefully you'll find there's no internal damage.


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Picked up the boat and got it into the garage late last night. Tonight after work i will be getting some core plugs, hooking it up to the fake a lake and firing it up. If the oil isnt milky i am going to check the compression again while it is warm.

Overall it is going to be a fun, but long, project and in the end i should have a damn nice boat.
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Hey Brant, congrats on the purchase!   Sounds like the boat will give you some projects, but some great times in the future. It may be a lot of work getting her there, but trust me it will be worth it.
First, you may want to check the original specs on your Air before you dive into that 422 ... I was thinking the V-drives had 1 1/8" shafts??   Also, pitch and diameter you will require are going to vary depending on your intended use, actual running weight and also the actual HP & torque of the engine you plan to drop in there. But perhaps some of the DD folks or the prop guys can chime in with a few recommendations for you. HP - in my opinion - isn't something that you should necessarily limit. And no, 400+ hp would not be too much, IMO     
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/xkGxz7wQQuy3GaxV9

Here are some photos. As i begin my progress i will keep adding more
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Originally posted by gt40KS gt40KS wrote:


First, you may want to check the original specs on your Air before you dive into that 422 ... I was thinking the V-drives had 1 1/8" shafts??    IMO     


You should check the specs on a 99 Air Tique Joe.

It's a 17 1/2 ft SN 176 with different trim .
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LOL, well there you go Ken. As I said I don't know much about "Air"   ...   I guess in this case it was nothing at all   

So if it's just a 176   SKI Nautique, why do they designate it AIR?? To me that denotes a wake series....
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Originally posted by gt40KS gt40KS wrote:

LOL, well there you go Ken. As I said I don't know much about "Air"   ...   I guess in this case it was nothing at all   

So if it's just a 176   SKI Nautique, why do they designate it AIR?? To me that denotes a wake series....


It had a taller pole and some of that clever marketing mumbo jumbo and you could get some air with it.
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I see that now Pete.... Big change at the time I guess.
But it occurs to me that no one ever explained to Brant how to post pics.

Brant, easiest is to leave the photos on your computer and load them directly to the site. You have to use the "post reply" button at the TOP of the page. at the top of the dialogue screen there are several buttons. One of them towards the right has a blueish "up" arrow. This is the image upload button. Push it and follow the directions. Pretty simple. Unless you are trying to post from a cell phone - the site doesn't react too well to those. And also Mac products I think?? Not sure about that, but definitely not from phones. You can also load from a 3rd party site, but you have to use the "insert image" button for that, the one just to the left of the upload button.
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Brant, here is a start for you:




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Got some work done tonight. Got a couple new core plugs put in place. They aren’t great, but good enough to run in the garage. After that and putting new plugs in the exhaust risers I ran it on the hose for about 20 minutes. Checked the oil and it was clean so maybe the block isn’t cracked.

Anyone know the correct size for the riser drain bolts? I got some 3/4 brass pipe plugs. They went in a few turns, but didn’t feel great. It might just be corrosion thought. Thoughts on that.

The heater was leaking for a few minutes, but it seems good now. The dash is trashed so if anyone is parting out a boat let me know.
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Brant,
The 3/4" sounds correct for the plugs. Yes, some chasing of the threads most likely is needed.


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Here is a better image of it sitting in the garage. I know it is messy, but that just got pushed back

Does this packing look normal to everyone? I have never seen it like this, but this is also my first time seeing it in person.

Here are some manifold bolts that are going to be a bear to get out. I saw another thread on here where someone had the same issue, so i will do what they did.

And some picture of some contributing factors as to why it was so cheap.


The good thing is the hour meter say ~422 hours. If that is to be believed this thing should have some life left in it.
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Since you want to call the plugs core plugs and be technically correct, you might as well say "exhaust manifold drains" and not "riser drains" since the risers are what bolt to the top of the manifolds and be technically correct there too since the drains are in the manifolds    

And............if you got 3 turns on the brass pipe plugs, I wouldn't worry about doing anything else. That's plenty if they're not leaking..

Your "packing" picture is tough to see but it looks like a bunch of junk manila rope got wrapped around the coupling on the shaft. Needless to say, it ain't normal and shouldn't be there.

I like the graphics except for the .BIG NUMBERS   
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Here are a couple more pictures. I was thinking that it looked like roam got wrapped around it, but it does look rapped neatly so i wasnt sure. Definitely looks out of place though from pictures i have seen before.

The giant letters will be coming off tomorrow. If all goes well i may try to drop it into the lake and see how it runs.
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Whatever that stuff is, I'd get rid of it before heading out on the water.

Looks like a big drip tray tucked under the transmission

I wonder why that would be there?

Good luck on the water test
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Berber carpeting? Possibly what once lined the drip tray...
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Going to need some of these now to finish off "your "boat!
Except of course yours will be the correct shape.....




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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Whatever that stuff is, I'd get rid of it before heading out on the water.

Looks like a big drip tray tucked under the transmission

I wonder why that would be there?

Good luck on the water test


I will start pulling/cutting that out tonight. Also need to take the big numbers off the front.

Im not sure why that drip tray is there, but it goes all the way under the motor. I dont think there would be a way of getting it out without pulling the motor. The boat did spend many years in England, so maybe it is a requirement there?
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Great looking boat! Don’t put too much faith in the hour meter. It’s more likely that the hours meter is broken than it only having 422 hours.
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With those big numbers I assumed this was an overseas boat.
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Trailer was a dead giveaway it was European, Must have been a company paid transfer otherwise shipping would have cost nearly as much as the boat itself, lol
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Originally posted by quinner quinner wrote:

Trailer was a dead giveaway it was European, Must have been a company paid transfer otherwise shipping would have cost nearly as much as the boat itself, lol


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I agree with Hollywood ... sure looks like berber carpeting to me as well. My guess is the original log deteriorated and one of the PO's performed a 'Homer engineering' repair on it with whatever they had lying around.
If Carnac was around, I'd suspect he would say you're looking at dropping the rudder so you can pull the prop shaft and install a proper log & new packing.   
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I checked with Carnac and he thinks it's just wrapped around the shaft in front of the packing gland and it's adjusting nuts and maybe just a repack without any need for shaft removal might be what's needed ..............maybe
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Whatever it was i cut it out. It was deteriorating and had obviously soaked up some oil in the past. It now looks like what i have seen in other pictures. Took a powerwasher to the carpet and bilge area and took a lot of grime off. Tonight i plan on filling the bilge and leaving it overnight to see how much leaks from where the shaft goes through the hull.

I also pulled those numbers off. It was nice to get them off, but depressing to see how well the hull used to shine. That will most likely be many hours and a new thread over the winter.

The wiring is horrible. Was messing with that last night and got the fuel gauge to work. I now have voltage, gas, oil, tach, and maybe temp. Best thing i found....the radio was wired to the blower breaker. Guessing the acc breaker for the radio broke, they pulled the dash and grabbed a breaker they deemed not necessary. Going to somewhat clean that up, but that too will be done correct over the winter.

EDIT to add: The hour meter is still working. While i was messing with the wiring and had the IGN breaker switched on and key turned to test stuff and i heard and saw it ticking away. So it does have ~425 hours on it. Odd that they make it work without the engine running, but it is what it is.
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Well Brant Carnac is probably correct, as usual. But I'd certainly heed his advice about repacking that gland

Sounds like your wiring issues were about as bad as mine --   Good luck!
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I tightened up the gland nut and the drip slowed from a monsoon to a few drips a second. That is close enough to take to the lake. I will have to wait around a week to test it based on shipping times. I need to have a class IV throwable which is in the mail. New(to the lake) boats always get stopped by the DNR based on past experience. They need to earn the paycheck....literally

I have been working on the dash and i now have all the gauges working minus the speedo which i cant be sure of. The perfect pass is drawing too many amps and killing the rest of the dash so that will be disconnected. This winter i will get a +red and a switched+purple bus bar to distribute the load.
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After some work i got the boat to where i thought would be a good point to test it on water. I had it running good on the hose and everything looked good. FIlled the bilge with water to make sure there werent any big leaks and the shaft packing was decent.

Things went better than i thought, but worse than i hoped. The impeller was clearly shot and the motor got hot. There was enough pressure with the hose that the impeller wasnt doing any work. This is what i found when i pulled the impeller out of the water pump. I didnt think i would ever see one this bad, but here it is. Should have checked this before, but i gambled and lost.


When i was moving enough to force water through the system a decent leak showed itself and filled the bilge which made me nervous. The bilge pump got clogged up so it was barely keeping up.

It was still a good day out on the water.

Ordered some new water hose and an impeller.

I also need to change out the prop. It was HORRIBLE trying to get the cotter pin out, but after about an hour and a half i finally got it. I was glad to be doing that on dry land. Anyways, if anyone has a prop puller in the denver area i could borrow that would be awesome. Otherwise i will end up buying one, but trying to save the $100 for other things i will inevitably need.

Next time i take it out and there is less going on i will get some photos of it on the lake.
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