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Gary S
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I thought all felpro’s were stainless ringed now? I had use regular automotive felpro on my HM first time around with no problems, when I went with gtp’s and before I took it apart I decided to use Marine ones. Don’t know who made them, got them from skidim they Suspiciously looked oem Ford not felpro
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MrMcD
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If you had the heads done 2 years ago do you know if they used a Marine Head gasket?
In salt water automotive head gaskets would rust out quickly. Maybe you could pull the head and inspect before spending more money. Does not take that long to pull a head and might save this engine. If the one head gasket has failed you should replace the other head gasket also. Pulling the head will show exactly where the gasket failed or you may find the head cracked, either way it would help to know. Jasper Engines is another good source should you want a rebuild ready to go. They are based in Jasper Indiana and have a good reputation. |
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93 Ski Nautique
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I just purchased an intake manifold from Outlaw in Florida, I will work on the other parts and likely order an engine soon.
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93 Ski Nautique
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Excellent information guys, thank you very much. I have always flushed every time it ran in salt at all. It's been an amazing boat, unfortunately it started ingesting water earlier this summer and now has hydrostatic seizure after it sits over night. 2 years ago I had a couple of burned valves and I had the heads magnfluxed and a few new valves put into it. I will pull it apart to figure out where the leak is, but I would think heads or block are likely.
I am the original owner, we live in the Annapolis, MD area. |
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Orlando76
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+1 for the ATK. I’ve done a Jasper, then an ATK, then a “high end” local rebuilder and the last rebuild which was for my 93 SN I went with the ATK again as I’ve felt they’ve been the best so far. I purchased through Summit. It arrived in maybe 5 days and I would go ATK for the next rebuild I might need.
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Gary S
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You don't say where you are either but there is Atlantic out of Miami also. Do your homework on all these guys. Would not be a bad idea to start gathering parts if you decide to retain the Ford- another iron intake manifold,complete thermostat housing,maybe even a timing cover from a worn out fresh water engine. Oil pan might be nice if you come across one too,there is no readily available parts source for these parts anymore. Exhaust manifolds and risers can last 7-8 years + if you flush after each and every use in pure salt water
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KENO
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How about ATK Performance engines in Texas.
DMA1R would be the model that should work for you. Reverse rotation one piece rear main seal, standard output 240 ish HP They sell through Summit, Jeg's etc but if you call direct to ATK to check on availability , they'll probably hook you up with their Gearhead Engines branch that sells direct to the public and sometimes they have a 10% discount. I've had good luck with them, shipping is free and fast. Probably 5 days on a tractor trailer, it gives you time to pull the old one out, strip the parts you need and be ready for the new one. Here's a link to their marine engine listing page link Here's a lijnk to it on Summit's site link It's a newer block with a dipstick hole in the block, you have the dipstick in the oil pan and the block hole can be plugged. It's about a 3/8 inch hole below and between the #7and 8 spark plugs, if you don't plug it oil mist will come out A marine long block from anybody will be your fastest route to go assuming you figure your engine right now is toast. |
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93 Ski Nautique
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Thanks for the responses folks. I do ski the course but I am lucky to run a 22 off pass, but I do pull some folks into 32/35 off occasionally. I can't really justify the $14k complete Excalibur engine for this boat and the factory 351 engine kept the shortline folks I pull happy.
Any recommended sources for a remanufactured long block if that's my only option? Michigan Motorz and Firstmate seem to have a good selection of marine engines. |
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93 Ski Nautique
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You sure you have a reverse rotation? What trans is in it? -
Yes, I believe so, looking at it from the front, the engine turns to the left, the firing order on the tag is 18456273, the model is PRD-PR-R10. The trans is a PCM 1-1 that I believe they only used on the "base" boats that year. The engine has the angle to it like the older boats, The output shaft rotates the same direction as the input shaft. Could the problem just be exhaust manifolds or maybe you just want a new engine? Boats run in full salt replace manifolds on a regular basis. I wish it was just the manifolds, I have done the manifolds a few times on this engine over the years, always before I had an issue. Hoping this might be the problem now, and since the manifolds on the boat were about 5 years old I just replaced again, and I still have water going into the cylinder. To gain even more confidence in my diagnosis I slowly added water to the engine (not running, with the exhaust hoses blocked off) until it was full. I then cranked it over without the plugs in it and found cylinder #7 was taking on water. This boat has always run perfectly, starts great, runs great. Incredible boat, I want to get it back running again ASAP:) You sure you have a reverse rotation? What trans is in it? |
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Orlando76
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Like I said, almost.. that’s 2 93’s I’m aware of that are RH. |
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KENO
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Almost but not quite, here's a quote from one of his old posts
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Orlando76
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A reman 351 with new manifolds and risers, new intake, new carb, new distributor, new circulating pump, new carb, new starter and check and clean alternator and raw water pump and you should be in business for ~10 years at $3600 or so. Salt destroys everything and expect new manifolds every year. Closed loop cooling is an option but again exhaust will still rot. |
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John, Could the problem just be exhaust manifolds or maybe you just want a new engine? Boats run in full salt replace manifolds on a regular basis. |
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Gary S
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You sure you have a reverse rotation? What trans is in it?
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93 Ski Nautique
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Well, it looks like the brackish water has taken it's toll on my engine. I have not pulled apart the engine yet but I anticipate repowering my 1993 Ski Nautique base boat (351 carbed, not GT40). I have water filling up my cylinders on the left side.
A couple of years ago SKI DIM had a PCM Chevy conversion, complete engine which would seem to be convenient but no longer are available from them. Also, I have always had boats with Fords and I really like the low end torque, and sound of the Fords. I cannot seem to find a complete engine for a 351 at all, I am finding long block remans, Michigan Marine, and others have these ready to go. Of course this means bringing over my tin and other 25 year old parts So, I realize there is not "right answer", but for those of you with reverse rotation, carbed 351 engines, what are your recommendations for a repower? |
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