Milky Oil

MrMcD you were correct. This weekend I pulled of the exhaust hoses an sure as you said it a collapsed hose. Completely caved in solid. I cant believe you cant tell anything is wrong from the out side.

Our Buddy Pete nailed the collapsed hose before I did.    

It originally overheated due to the impeller

RealDeez wrote: If it was just the thermostat the exhaust would still be getting water and the pipes wouldn't have melted... I think that's why there's still a question. RWP problem or something maybe.

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Wasn’t it a backwards thermostat?

tryathlete wrote: I thought that was solved—oil change after high bilge water?

Thats usually unlikely, I have grasped at that straw a few times without catching it. However depending on the still relatively sketchy order of events.

If you had blocked off exhaust manifolds on a commander and had fixed whatever was causing the first overheat (which was water flow related if the hoses melted, and not due to a faulty thermostat that would have heated the engine but not the exhaust hoses) you very well could have enough water back up enough to settle in the exhaust ports and make its way into the crankcase.

Glad you found that and maybe the collapsed hose shut the engine down before it was damaged. That is what they were designed to do.   They used to be the USCG standard but the standard changed some time back and newer boats no longer have collapseable hoses.   Now for that milky Oil.   Any cause discovered yet.

This may be rather silly of me, but there have been 29 posts in this thread with nobody asking how hot your engine got.

So i'll ask, how hot did it get?

Was it billowing steam out from the engine box/exhaust or did you just notice the temp gauge going up? Smell like hot rubber?

Your earlier threads dealt with a bad impeller and overheating at idle, how hot were these temperatures at the time?

Thanks guys. I have learned a bunch!! I hope it is just a hose collapsed!!

MrMcD wrote: yours looks to be a Commander, they both work fine' I am just wondering why Nautique would use two sources for engines in the same model year.

Mark,
Yes, it's a Commander. The 70's were pretty lean years for CC with lots of cash $$$ flow problems so they bought what engines they could. Go back a few years and it was standard to offer 4, 5 or even more brands of engines. Also many models had the OMC upgrade option.

Ohio guy with the block M?

Go Blue

Your marine conversion looks differant than my 78, mine was a PCM yours looks to be a Commander, they both work fine' I am just wondering why Nautique would use two sources for engines in the same model year. Good Luck finding the problem.
Nice Looking 78!

Evilsizer wrote: Wish I knew how to post pics on here. .

Andrew,
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The only way to know is the fix the problem and find out what you have after the repair.
Hard to say where the water came from we would only be guessing.
You need to check it out and learn what you can.
The biggest danger from taking on water would be HYDROLOCK.   If water is on top of a piston and you hit your start key it can bang the piston against the water compressing the water against the cylinder head. This can bend a connecting rod and then you are in to a full rebuild.   If you hit the starter and your engine spins but then locks pull the spark plugs and let the water out before ever hitting the start key again.
The exhaust tubes are pretty strong and not easy to pull off. Warm the exhaust hose up at the connection with a Hair dryer,   Warm hoses are much easier to work with. Have a squirt bottle with strong soapy water. Slip a small flat blade between the exhaust manifold outlet and the exhaust hose and run soapy water inside. Work your flat blade around and keep adding soapy water inside.
Pull it off the exhaust manifold.   If it is collapsed it will be collapsed very close to the exhaust manifold where the heat is the hottest. When you look inside you will see the tube collapsed and burned rubber.
They stink when this happens you can smell that the tube gets hot when the engine overheats.

Also what is the correct thermostat for this old 78 351 commander? I m sure I put it in correctly. Someone stated that without a thermostat and running at idle for a long period of time in cold water can cause water in the oil. Below is what they described. we were running at idle in no wake zones for a while in cold water but am not sure how that will allow water in engine
1. Water in boat bilge
Boat has been submerged or bilge water was
high enough to run in through dipstick tube

2. Water seeping past piston ring or valves
Refer to "Water in Engine" ("On Top of Pistons")

3. Engine running cold
Defective thermostat, missing thermostat;
prolonged idling in cold water

4. Intake manifold leaking near a water passage
Loose or cracked intake
Bad intake gasket
Corroded head or intake

5. Cracked or porous casting
Check cylinder head, cylinder block, cylinder walls,
and intake manifold

6. Valve cover cap or breather missing, ( only gets water when it rains)

Evilsizer wrote: Wait I may of thought of something. That evening before we pulled the boat out I had to run the bilge pump a long time. Water was up to the floor almost. Could it have drained through the oil dip stick tube?

The water would need to be higher to get into the oil.

Where did the water come from?